California

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Wrong. These fires are burning in suburbs and affluent areas where brush is cleared. No matter how much you clear that wind will help burn everything to the ground. Ttku...
Why were they allowed to build in a zone that annually burns to the ground? That’s as stupid as building on the Mississippi Delta!

Waaaaa
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
So tax dollars should be spent in Hawaii protecting those who have enough $ to build homes atop volcanoes?

More stupidity that's hard for you to understand.
Or the entire Gulf and East coast for hurricanes. Or the entire mid west for tornadoes. You really didn't think that one through, did you?:happy2:
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
Or the entire Gulf and East coast for hurricanes. Or the entire mid west for tornadoes. You really didn't think that one through, did you?:happy2:

California really should be doing more to properly control overgrowth in forests that could potentially threaten population centers.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Or the entire Gulf and East coast for hurricanes. Or the entire mid west for tornadoes. You really didn't think that one through, did you?:happy2:
If Californians have made their choice not to mitigate the fire threat then they should suffer the consequences, not the federal taxpayer.
 

tonyexpress

Whac-A-Troll Patrol
Staff member
California really should be doing more to properly control overgrowth in forests that could potentially threaten population centers.

That is part of the problem...

Lack Of Controlled Burns Contributing To California Wildfires

California’s devastating wildfires have been fueled by drought, heat and what Calfire calls missed opportunities to clear overgrown forests.

California's Devastating Fires Are Man-Caused -- But Not In The Way They Tell Us

As timber harvesting permit fees went up and environmental challenges multiplied, the people who earned a living felling and planting trees looked for other lines of work. The combustible fuel load in the forest predictably soared. No longer were forest management professionals clearing brush and thinning trees.

Another preventable source...
We import poverty and invite the homeless here:

Your Insurance Is Canceled Because of Homeless Tent Fires

Los Angeles property owners are starting to pay a significant price due to the risk of fires that start at nearby homeless encampments in the city.

Some property owners with buildings near the encampments tell the NBC4 I-Team that they've been dropped by insurance companies or seen their rates skyrocket.

Oh, and don't forget the power companies like PGE...

How PG&E Ignored Fire Risks in Favor of Profits

Five of the 10 most destructive fires in California since 2015 have been linked to PG&E’s electrical network. Regulators have found that in many fires, PG&E violated state law or could have done more to make its equipment safer.

 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
That is part of the problem...

Lack Of Controlled Burns Contributing To California Wildfires

California’s devastating wildfires have been fueled by drought, heat and what Calfire calls missed opportunities to clear overgrown forests.

California's Devastating Fires Are Man-Caused -- But Not In The Way They Tell Us

As timber harvesting permit fees went up and environmental challenges multiplied, the people who earned a living felling and planting trees looked for other lines of work. The combustible fuel load in the forest predictably soared. No longer were forest management professionals clearing brush and thinning trees.

Another preventable source...
We import poverty and invite the homeless here:

Your Insurance Is Canceled Because of Homeless Tent Fires

Los Angeles property owners are starting to pay a significant price due to the risk of fires that start at nearby homeless encampments in the city.

Some property owners with buildings near the encampments tell the NBC4 I-Team that they've been dropped by insurance companies or seen their rates skyrocket.

Oh, and don't forget the power companies like PGE...

How PG&E Ignored Fire Risks in Favor of Profits

Five of the 10 most destructive fires in California since 2015 have been linked to PG&E’s electrical network. Regulators have found that in many fires, PG&E violated state law or could have done more to make its equipment safer.
Is this like the more guns will prevent gun violence argument? More fire will prevent fire? I love how everyone is a forest management expert all of the sudden. How many years did you guys spend in Uni studying?
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
That is part of the problem...

Lack Of Controlled Burns Contributing To California Wildfires

California’s devastating wildfires have been fueled by drought, heat and what Calfire calls missed opportunities to clear overgrown forests.

California's Devastating Fires Are Man-Caused -- But Not In The Way They Tell Us

As timber harvesting permit fees went up and environmental challenges multiplied, the people who earned a living felling and planting trees looked for other lines of work. The combustible fuel load in the forest predictably soared. No longer were forest management professionals clearing brush and thinning trees.

Another preventable source...
We import poverty and invite the homeless here:

Your Insurance Is Canceled Because of Homeless Tent Fires

Los Angeles property owners are starting to pay a significant price due to the risk of fires that start at nearby homeless encampments in the city.

Some property owners with buildings near the encampments tell the NBC4 I-Team that they've been dropped by insurance companies or seen their rates skyrocket.

Oh, and don't forget the power companies like PGE...

How PG&E Ignored Fire Risks in Favor of Profits

Five of the 10 most destructive fires in California since 2015 have been linked to PG&E’s electrical network. Regulators have found that in many fires, PG&E violated state law or could have done more to make its equipment safer.
Lack Of Controlled Burns Contributing To California Wildfires
“In the Sierra Nevada in the forests, they have missed some fire cycles. So controlled burns in those areas [are] a good thing,” said Halsey. “But what happens is people the problem is people misapply that idea everywhere on the planet, and they blame all these fires on overgrown vegetation. And that’s just not the case.”
 

tonyexpress

Whac-A-Troll Patrol
Staff member
Lack Of Controlled Burns Contributing To California Wildfires
“In the Sierra Nevada in the forests, they have missed some fire cycles. So controlled burns in those areas [are] a good thing,” said Halsey. “But what happens is people the problem is people misapply that idea everywhere on the planet, and they blame all these fires on overgrown vegetation. And that’s just not the case.”

Thanks for proving my point.

By abstaining from controlled burns year after year, unchecked growth has multiplied, dried out and created a tinderbox. The overgrowth has fueled deadly, out-of-control wildfires like the Carr Fire near Redding that took the lives of a four- and five-year-old.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
California really should be doing more to properly control overgrowth in forests that could potentially threaten population centers.
Correct. There's always more that we could be doing. But that does not change the fact that these fires are growing in size and speed mainly due to weather conditions.
 

tonyexpress

Whac-A-Troll Patrol
Staff member
Correct. There's always more that we could be doing. But that does not change the fact that these fires are growing in size and speed mainly due to weather conditions.

Are you enjoying the blackouts?

We are having them because transmission lines are burning the :censored2:ing state down.. But keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Correct. There's always more that we could be doing. But that does not change the fact that these fires are growing in size and speed mainly due to weather conditions.
The weather conditions (Santa Ana winds) are always around every year. It's non removal of brush that's the major problem...….or like the Gov. says it's "Trump's fault". Gov. Idiot!!
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
The weather conditions (Santa Ana winds) are always around every year. It's non removal of brush that's the major problem...….or like the Gov. says it's "Trump's fault". Gov. Idiot!!
The Santa Anna winds are not always as strong is this last event. And the same for the Diablo winds up north. Those strong winds change the fire into a fire storm. You could clear a mile around your home and still have it burn down in one of these events.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
Correct. There's always more that we could be doing. But that does not change the fact that these fires are growing in size and speed mainly due to weather conditions.

If the wildfires were more about warming weather conditions than inadequate overgrowth management, wouldn’t more areas of the United States be on fire every year?
 
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