I am just curious what each of you thinks that have been fortunate enough to read some of Gibby's recent comments. TieGuy, Over9.5, please, i am REALLY curious if you agree or disagree with what I am about to say: Gibby mentioned several items which I believe are problems throughout the company: Management hours (espec the carrot held out for P/T sups to shield the over 5 hour days), staffing in urban (i.e. "ghetto" areas), reverse discrimination. OK here is the problem as i see it, please just give me a Yes or No if you agree: 1.) The above problems are real life situations and problems in many, if not all, districts around UPS 2.) The idea of promoting someone like this person, who i assume is in his early 20's is the greatest long term threat to UPS. 3.) We have already promoted several like him! This contempt for tradition, the thought of leading full time employees without ever having been in their shoes, the idea a degree makes you qualified for management at UPS (and is now generally required) and the failure by our "new guard" of management to have employees work with them will be the key to the demise of this great company.