climate catastrophe

[zubenelgenubi]

its closely tied to when the industrial revolution started

The climate never changed before that?

 

[UnionStrong]

its closely tied to when the industrial revolution started

You know nothing.

 

[Ou812fu]

i hear mixed things and regardless hydrocarbons are leading to mass extinction so thats not a solution either.

we shouldnt mistake lifestyles with life

Do you realize what everything is made up of?

 

[rickyb]

Do you realize what everything is made up of?

we existed for a long time without oil. we over did it and now risk extinction.

 

[UnionStrong]

we existed for a long time without oil. we over did it and now risk extinction.

We couldn’t live without it, you baboon

 

[rickyb]

We couldn’t live without it, you baboon

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[Gotta Go]

Y’all do know you can’t fix stupid.

 

[vantexan]

we existed for a long time without oil. we over did it and now risk extinction.

And how long have we been burning coal for heat? The Chinese were mining coal over 3000 years ago. Tell me something, since you're always talking about efficiency, if you've got almost 8 billion people on the planet what substance is more efficient than petroleum to feed(fertilizer, diesel for trucks and tractors), clothe(synthetic fibers), and transport them? It's not just about emissions. If all electric makes the world cleaner and hopefully more peaceful great. But until y'all implement nuclear power to meet our electric needs and can come up with electric semi's then we're stuck with oil.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Y’all do know you can’t fix stupid.

I don't think he's stupid. I appreciate getting a leftist's perspective in at least a mostly rational discussion. I have no problem chatting it up with @rickyb, he takes a lot of abuse, and rarely responds with the same level of insult that he gets from others. Perhaps if people weren't so quick to dismiss others with differing views we would be able to come to some sort of understanding. Having said that, there are people on this site who do nothing but waste everyone's time with their nonsense. I may think Ricky is wrong on a lot, but I do think he is honest and converses in good faith.

 

[vantexan]

I don't think he's stupid. I appreciate getting a leftist's perspective in at least a mostly rational discussion. I have no problem chatting it up with @rickyb, he takes a lot of abuse, and rarely responds with the same level of insult that he gets from others. Perhaps if people weren't so quick to dismiss others with differing views we would be able to come to some sort of understanding. Having said that, there are people on this site who do nothing but waste everyone's time with their nonsense. I may think Ricky is wrong on a lot, but I do think he is honest and converses in good faith.

Ricky is convinced that capitalism, and the greatest proponate of it, the U.S., is evil incarnate. As far as rarely you might want to look a little closer. Ricky can be pretty sharp tongued.

 

[rickyb]

Ricky is convinced that capitalism, and the greatest proponate of it, the U.S., is evil incarnate. As far as rarely you might want to look a little closer. Ricky can be pretty sharp tongued.

the govt is evil and yes capitalism is too but so are other economies.

 

[rickyb]

nader says nuclear is not hte answer.

another problem is our energy usage is not efficient.

And how long have we been burning coal for heat? The Chinese were mining coal over 3000 years ago. Tell me something, since you're always talking about efficiency, if you've got almost 8 billion people on the planet what substance is more efficient than petroleum to feed(fertilizer, diesel for trucks and tractors), clothe(synthetic fibers), and transport them? It's not just about emissions. If all electric makes the world cleaner and hopefully more peaceful great. But until y'all implement nuclear power to meet our electric needs and can come up with electric semi's then we're stuck with oil.

 

[vantexan]

nader says nuclear is not hte answer.

another problem is our energy usage is not efficient.

And nader is wrong.

 

[Non liberal]

im creating a new post on climate catastrophe because it more accurately reflects the environmental situation the elites have created for us

this is an unreal article about how power works (democracy) and stopping mass extinction:

Extinction Rebellion

If we do not shake off our lethargy, our anomie, and resist, our misery, despondency and feelings of helplessness will mount. We will become paralyzed. Resistance, especially given the bleakness before us, is about more than winning. It is about a life of meaning. It is about empowerment. It is a public declaration that we will no longer live according to the dominant lie. It is a message to the elites: YOU DO NOT OWN US. It is about defending our dignity, agency and self-respect. The more we free ourselves from the bondage of fear to throw up barriers along the forced march toward ecocide the more we will be enveloped by a strange kind of euphoria, one I often felt as a war correspondent documenting horrific suffering and atrocities to shame the killers. We obliterate despair in our acts of defiance, even if our victories are Pyrrhic. We reach out to those around us. Courage is contagious. It is the spark that ignites mass revolt. And we should, even if we fail, at least choose how we will die. Resistance is the only action left that will allow us to remain psychologically whole. And it is the only action left that has any hope of halting the wholesale extinction of the human race, not to mention most other species.

There’s a fundamental difference between breaking the law and not breaking the law,” he went on. “It’s a binary difference. When you break the law, then you’re massively more effective in terms of material and psychological influence as well as media interest. The more dramatic the civil disobedience, the better. It’s a numbers game. You want people blocking the streets, but you need ten, twenty, thirty thousand. You don’t need 3 million. You need enough for the state to have to decide whether to use repression on a mass scale or invite you into the room. The gambit, of course, particularly in the U.K., is that the state is weak. It’s been hollowed out by neoliberalism. They’re going to find themselves overwhelmed. We will get in the room.”

Do we allow these people to continue blocking the center of a global city, or do we arrest thousands of people?’ If they opt for arresting thousands of people, lots of things are going to happen. They will be overwhelmed. The police force in the U.K. is underfunded, like most of the public sector. There’s massive disaffection amongst the police. I won’t be surprised if they form a union and say, ‘We’re not doing this anymore.’ I’ve been arrested 10, 12 times in the last two years. Every time, police come up to me going, ‘Keep it up, mate. What you’re doing is great.’ We’re disciplined, nonviolent people. They’re not going to get pissed off at us. They also know it’s over.

“You’re basically holding the economy of a city to ransom,” he said of the shutdowns. “It’s the same dynamic as a labor strike. You want to get into the room and have a negotiation. Extinction Rebellion hasn’t quite decided what that negotiation is going to be. We’ve got three demands—the government tells the truth, the carbon emissions go to zero by 2025, which is a proxy for transformation of the economy and the society, and we have a national assembly which will sort out what the British people want to do about it.

We simply cannot maintain these levels of consumption. They haven’t reckoned with that. One of the main reasons the climate debate has not gotten into a serious mode over the last 30 years is because people who are in charge of informing the public are terrified of telling the public that they can’t have the high consumer lifestyle anymore. It’s a taboo. But like any addiction, there comes a moment of truth. We’re there now.”

Wtf? What evidence do you have that humans are causing climate change? If anything we’re starving our damn trees! I’m doing my part, I’m in the market for a big outdoor coal fired furnace to put in the back yard. I figure burning two tons of coal a winter or so should keep the house nice and toasty and keep the oak trees in pristine condition my Libby neighbors are going to hate my ass! Maybe I’ll get two.

 

[Non liberal]

thats not meaningful

To his parents it is.

 

[Box Ox]

nader says nuclear is not hte answer.

What does Nader say is the answer in 2022? What do you and he know that Germany does not?

 

[Ou812fu]

we existed for a long time without oil. we over did it and now risk extinction.

No not oil. We are carbon based..

 

[UnionStrong]

we existed for a long time without oil. we over did it and now risk extinction.

 

[rickyb]

What does Nader say is the answer in 2022? What do you and he know that Germany does not?

wind, solar, more efficiency, ending throw away culture

i dont think electric cars are that efficient. they weigh too much and dont move enough ppl at once

 

[rickyb]

capitalism is exactly like the financial fraud that occurred with saving and loans scandal and 2008 financial crisis where the profits reported were fraudulent and it eventually led to collapse