you call me liberal even though i'm not.
you say i'm against the government and military even though i said nothing of this and i'm going into the airforce after university and i support canadian troops in afghanistan.
you say i undermine the military and i haven't even mentioned them
you say i'm defending a politically correct war when i never really gave an opinion regarding it
you say the government is here to keep you safe but they also wiretap and torture their own citizens of what you see as terrorist descent.
keep putting words in my mouth. you seem to enjoy listening to yourself talk
hoser,
I think if you disagree with with him at any level you are a liberal. His only mechanism of debate as I see it is to throw out the tag liberal at those who provide an opposing view and it matters not how well reasoned that opposition may be. You know if it makes you feel any better the crown once tagged the founding fathers and their ilk as "bastard liberals" and in the truest sense they really were.
Like you, I believe we had a duty to move into Afghanistan and destroy the means of threat there and I also considered at first that Iraq could be a threat and at first did support the efforts to remove Saddam. However, I now believe the real motive behind Iraq was not what is seemed and has more to do with NationBuilding, shaping geo-politics of a region and more importantly acting as a greater security force for the State of Israel. It is also seen of us as a willing agent of helping to create "Greater Israel" as described in the following biblical text:
On that day, God made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Giga****es and Yevusites." - Genesis 15:18-21
Since the Balfour Declaration in 1917'
Balfour Declaration, 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia what would become the State of Israel in 1948' has continued to expand and grow despite continued assurances that Gen. 15:18-21 has no place in current or future matters. We in the west have looked at this whole thing as nothing more than a matter of these people of the Islamic world just flat hate a free people and only desire to kill because we are free. Before you buy that song and dance hook, line and sinker you have to look at the history and the geo-political history of the people and the area.
Whether or not the fear of Gen15:18-21 and a Greater Israel coming to pass has any merit or not is really meaningless. The bigger question in my mind is what have we done or not done to assure these people that this is not the case in actuallity? As long as we are seen as doing the bidding of Israel and in effect attempting to make a self fulfilling prophesy come true, then we will always be fighting this war and will never win unless we kill them all and destroy all reminents of their culture, religion and civilization and this is the very thing they believe is happening all to the benefit and behest of the Greater Zionist State.
Jews have every right to live, work, worship, govern themselves, be self determining, play and all those good things in life but at the same time so do those folks who live everywhere else but live a life different from others including ourselves. Until we Americans are seen in light of that belief and concepts that were the bedrock and foundation of our life and culture, then we must be prepared to fight this endless fight until only one is left standing. We may win this cause but I fear in the longrun at what price to this bedrock and at what price for our children and grandchildren?
You know, much of late has been made of Clinton and his lack of pursuit of Osama and from my point of view and in hindsight neither he nor Bush did enough but I'm Monday morning quarterbacking too. However, even though I believe Clinton to have been a disgrace and horrible President when I compare him to my own core beliefs I will give him credit in one area and that is Iran. Sure Iran was playing "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" during that time period in Lebannon but the underlying movement amongst the people was a growing movement away from the radical Islamic State and more towards a freer and maybe even a democratized society. Many students had come to the West for education and that freedom was an influence they took back home. In the 90's, much was said of an ever softening Iranian people towards western democratization and whether Clinton stumbled on blind luck of it was policy, he enjoyed a means of success there IMO.
For those who would throw out the Iranian/Osama connection, well now that could likely be true now and the ole' "your enemy is my enemy so we must be friends" addage holds place but back in the day they were worlds apart as Iran was a Shia' movement and Osama and friends were Sunni via Wahabbism which is the majority Islamic faith in Saudi Arabia, Osama's homeland. As can be seen in Iraq, Sunni and Shai' don't play nice. However, those broken bridges will become stable and sturdy if we are not careful moving forward and then we will have a fight on our hands. At the end of the day our policy and appraoch may prove to be more harmful than we even imagined possible.
I may or may not agree with your views but keep em' coming because I also believe that supressing ideas and opinions is as great an evil if not worse that the damage of a terror network. In either case, it's is a means of mind and thought control, one just uses fear of physical harm and the other uses attempted mental manipulation via words.
JMO.
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