Does anybody see anything wrong with this idea?

[oldngray]

I'm sorry, the thought of an hourly allowed to touch the coverted computers must be insane. My center manager would disagree with you. One of my cars is entirely commercial and retail, with a very picky driver, who wants stops loaded his way, not the PAL way. So, I print the manifest daily so I know how much of each stop is coming so I have a reference while loading the car.

My preloader often had a print out of all the projected stops and pieces printed out by a preload sup. It made his job a lot easer. But he was one of better preloaders and actually cared about his loads. And of course when they start making the usual last minute cuts that careful planning goes straight into the trash.

 

[Johney]

so 30 letters carried to the third floor will give me the same allowance as 30 50 lb boxes?? RIGHT

Yes it will it's all averaged in you know.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

bb hit the nail on the head with this. Sure, it would be nice to know if your next stop was a Bow-Flex so you could back up to the garage, as opposed to a 1 lb QVC, but if the company actually had the information telling them that 90% of your residentials were less than 5 lbs, well there goes your stop-count.

I liked EDD, except for the fact that you don't really go through your load (aren't supposed to/given time for) like in the days before PAS/EDD.

The ol' management game !!! You aren't given allowances to sort your car anymore, but you must sort your car by 2pm to find misloads !!!
WELL WHICH IS IT MAN !!!!!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Some centers (mine was one) will get cold loads that someone at the feeding hub want to/can get rid of. Those won't show up.

You're right---advanced work will not show up in the forecasted volume.

 

[curiousbrain]

You're right---advanced work will not show up in the forecasted volume.

And, furthermore, any PDS with a brain looks at the 'Percentage to match' at the end of the day, and does the math ... then, they roll that volume into the next day and plan accordingly; which is something that IE geeks cannot do, because they are "hands off".

But I digress.

Cold loads will not show up; they have to manually be added in by IE, or the PDS, by hand.

edit: Which is something that usually only happens (by IE) on major holidays; the rest of the year, the PDS can go pound sand and take a beating for being off plan.

 

[ups hero]

my theory on miscounted pkgs.

Ok, now this is just a theory, so if I'm wrong please don't shoot me. When I worked in a medical warehouse we shipped roughly 350-400 pkgs daily for ups. At the end of the day we would close out the ups system and print the Eod paper in which the driver would scan as you know when you do your pickup. Ok, now here is where my theory kicks in. Most of the time the paper would get scanned with the Diad letting the ups system know how many packages they were taking. Sometimes they wouldn't scan it. Now, if they don't scan it, how does ups know how many packages were picked up. That is just 1 pickup. What if around the u.s. they did this all the time. Wouldn't this make the numbers way off??

As for a bulk stop saying 1 of 1 when there is 200. Here is a good reason insurance is high. We would get orders at my warehouse throughout the day for the same hospital all the time. I'm talking like an order for 1 nose clip. It would get packed and shipped and then like 20 minutes later an order for the same hospital would order 10 nose clips. The hospital would not allow us to combine orders. Each order had to be packed separately. It's a waste of money. Shipping was like $12 for a .25 nose clip. Lol.

 

[curiousbrain]

Re: my theory on miscounted pkgs.

Ok, now this is just a theory, so if I'm wrong please don't shoot me. When I worked in a medical warehouse we shipped roughly 350-400 pkgs daily for ups. At the end of the day we would close out the ups system and print the Eod paper in which the driver would scan as you know when you do your pickup. Ok, now here is where my theory kicks in. Most of the time the paper would get scanned with the Diad letting the ups system know how many packages they were taking. Sometimes they wouldn't scan it. Now, if they don't scan it, how does ups know how many packages were picked up. That is just 1 pickup. What if around the u.s. they did this all the time. Wouldn't this make the numbers way off??

As for a bulk stop saying 1 of 1 when there is 200. Here is a good reason insurance is high. We would get orders at my warehouse throughout the day for the same hospital all the time. I'm talking like an order for 1 nose clip. It would get packed and shipped and then like 20 minutes later an order for the same hospital would order 10 nose clips. The hospital would not allow us to combine orders. Each order had to be packed separately. It's a waste of money. Shipping was like $12 for a .25 nose clip. Lol.

I know nothing, sir.

 

[ups hero]

I know nothing, sir.

Like I said, just a theory. I am a preloader not a driver. I could be way off, but do you know what I'm saying? If the papers not scanned, are they accounted for?

 

[curiousbrain]

Like I said, just a theory. I am a preloader not a driver. I could be way off, but do you know what I'm saying? If the papers not scanned, are they accounted for?

I would make an educated guess, by saying "No".

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Like I said, just a theory. I am a preloader not a driver. I could be way off, but do you know what I'm saying? If the papers not scanned, are they accounted for?

When the shipper runs their end of day (EOD) the driver is supposed to scan and sign it; however, this is not always possible. This does not affect package count as part of running the end of day is transmitting the data to UPS so it really doesn't matter whether the driver scans and signs the EOD.

 

[ups hero]

Like I said, just a theory. I am a preloader not a driver. I could be way off, but do you know what I'm saying? If the papers not scanned, are they accounted for?

I would make an educated guess, by saying "No".

That would be my guess as well. That is why I THINK the numbers are always so far off. (At least in my building)

 

[ups hero]

Like I said, just a theory. I am a preloader not a driver. I could be way off, but do you know what I'm saying? If the papers not scanned, are they accounted for?

When the shipper runs their end of day (EOD) the driver is supposed to scan and sign it; however, this is not always possible. This does not affect package count as part of running the end of day is transmitting the data to UPS so it really doesn't matter whether the driver scans and signs the EOD.

Ok, lol. Well, there goes my theory. Yea, that makes sense now that I think about it.

 

[BrownArmy]

You don't know how WorldShip works, and you don't know about DPS/EPD, so, trust me, you don't know what is coming in. This is one of the main reasons dispatch sups (the ones who give a crap) are bald - they tear their hair out everyday because they cannot do the dispatch right because they do not know what is coming in!

I never understood, and still don't understand, why the bolded statement is the truth.

Aside from shipper SNAFU's, doesn't every package picked up (ideally) get an arrival scan at the center?

Are the packages then scanned once getting loaded onto outbound trailers? (honestly asking, I don't know).

I just received a package today from UPS...when tracking the package, I see four or five scans before the package arrives at the UPS center that delivers to my town.

Why is it that we are consistently caught with our pants down?

UPS Logistics - hire us to manage your warehouse system, etc. (but we can't even handle our own!)

 

[curiousbrain]

I never understood, and still don't understand, why the bolded statement is the truth.

Aside from shipper SNAFU's, doesn't every package picked up (ideally) get an arrival scan at the center?

Are the packages then scanned once getting loaded onto outbound trailers? (honestly asking, I don't know).

I just received a package today from UPS...when tracking the package, I see four or five scans before the package arrives at the UPS center that delivers to my town.

Why is it that we are consistently caught with our pants down?

UPS Logistics - hire us to manage your warehouse system, etc. (but we can't even handle our own!)

Part of it is because all of the scans you see (arrival/departure) scans are what are known as "derived" scans; that is to say, they are not physically scanned, but are derived from a third source - in this case, TFCS.

I'm not talking down to anyone, but let's take a simple example of a package transiting from CHEMA to HARCT; first, the customer orders it, the driver (maybe) does a pickup, scans it, shipper does a proper EOD, and it is loaded onto a trailer.

There is still no DEPARTURE scan as it is seen by ETT or any external tracking tool; the departure scan is only shown when the unload/primary supervisor "unloads" or "transits" the load in TFCS, which is an archaic system. Once the load (via ULD) is sent out, the departure scan is uploaded to the "public" system and the timestamp is derived from whatever the unload soup entered into TFCS.

When the trailer/ULD arrives at another center, the unload soup there "inbounds" that load and the "arrival scan" is derived from that; this daisy chains through the system until it arrives at the distribution hub/center, and it is PAL'd out in the sort aisle, at which point it gets a "DELIVERY SCAN" put on it.

To the original point, arrival/departure scans are derived, not physical; and I can tell you from experience, unload soup's fudge the times so they can make their numbers. Which fudges the whole system, in a sense. It has started to get better recently because the new feeders have an automatic inbound/outbound system, but it is still shaky.

When a package is scanned as it is being loaded into the outbound, it has no external customer visibility and is purely for internal metric calculations.

 

[curiousbrain]

Part of it is because all of the scans you see (arrival/departure) scans are what are known as "derived" scans; that is to say, they are not physically scanned, but are derived from a third source - in this case, TFCS.

I'm not talking down to anyone, but let's take a simple example of a package transiting from CHEMA to HARCT; first, the customer orders it, the driver (maybe) does a pickup, scans it, shipper does a proper EOD, and it is loaded onto a trailer.

There is still no DEPARTURE scan as it is seen by ETT or any external tracking tool; the departure scan is only shown when the unload/primary supervisor "unloads" or "transits" the load in TFCS, which is an archaic system. Once the load (via ULD) is sent out, the departure scan is uploaded to the "public" system and the timestamp is derived from whatever the unload soup entered into TFCS.

When the trailer/ULD arrives at another center, the unload soup there "inbounds" that load and the "arrival scan" is derived from that; this daisy chains through the system until it arrives at the distribution hub/center, and it is PAL'd out in the sort aisle, at which point it gets a "DELIVERY SCAN" put on it.

To the original point, arrival/departure scans are derived, not physical; and I can tell you from experience, unload soup's fudge the times so they can make their numbers. Which fudges the whole system, in a sense. It has started to get better recently because the new feeders have an automatic inbound/outbound system, but it is still shaky.

When a package is scanned as it is being loaded into the outbound, it has no external customer visibility and is purely for internal metric calculations.

I learned that in my week of red-shirt training, obviously.

 

[Brownslave688]

then explain to me why I can print a manifest at 330am and the car matches the manifest at 915 (98%) of the time, if they don't know what coming in?

First off, why is an hourly printing a load manifest from DMS? That's insane.

Secondly, sometimes it does match - in fact, a lot of the time it does.

As I have said above though, the burden of proof is on the shipper - most shippers do it right and everything is fine, but some do not and that's when the stops blow up in your face.

An example: There is a business where I used to work, that ordered hundreds of boxes a day - but they always did EOD wrong, so it would constantly show up (in DMS, which is what you are printing from when you talk about a manifest) as just 1 box; yet, when they poured out of the trailer, they'd all be stamped with "1 of 1" on the label.

That is not UPS, that is the shipper. That is my point.

I still don't understand. Just because each box says 1 of 1 shouldn't matter (not saying it doesn't) each package should have a separate tracking number.

This is a flaw in the system if it can't differentiate.

 

[UPSGUY72]

As far as I am aware, there is no way to view detailed information about a package from the DIAD. Specifically, information like the weight and dimensions. I find this pretty pathetic. You can store gigabytes upon gigabytes of porn videos on a chip the size of your pinky nail, but they can't have this information sent to your DIAD along with EDD? How many times have you been looking for a package, when it could have benefited you to know if you were looking for a 3-ounce envelope or a 130lb irreg.


But anyway...

Let's say they did do this, and this info was included when you viewed the details of a delivery.

Any time a delivery was for one of those UPS-supplied envelopes, they could put a E next to the address. These envelopes could be loaded into a tote, rather than on the shelf, where they often fall behind or under other larger, heavier packages, and may be difficult to find in a mess. Or, this doesn't even have to be limited to envelopes. It could be for anything with no listed dimensions, meaning that it will either be a flat envelope, a padded envelope, or a bag. Would it be easier for a driver to find stuff like this?

You have one problem UPS pays you to deliver packages not THINK... Your thinking to much that's your problem this job isn't hard but some people make it very difficult for themselves.

What happens when the package your looking for isn't even in your car ?? Then it doesn't matter one way or the other. Anyways there is only so much info that can be carried in your diad and it most likely has to due with battery life the more info that the DIAD holds for each package requires more power to process.

 

[BrownArmy]

Part of it is because all of the scans you see (arrival/departure) scans are what are known as "derived" scans; that is to say, they are not physically scanned, but are derived from a third source - in this case, TFCS.

I'm not talking down to anyone, but let's take a simple example of a package transiting from CHEMA to HARCT; first, the customer orders it, the driver (maybe) does a pickup, scans it, shipper does a proper EOD, and it is loaded onto a trailer....(etc. etc.)

Thanks for this, even though you're using acronyms that I know nothing about, you just cleared up my central confusion...in a way my immediate management team either didn't have the time to, or didn't care to.

It's like EDD...UPS comes up with boy-wonder systems, fails at fully initiating and implementing them in the first place, and then tries to add brick-layer levels onto a sodden-earth foundation. I can't wait till ORION comes to my building (hint, we'll be in the 'why-isn't-it-working-in-this-center?-mass-communique')

Honestly, things work 'just good enough' that there really isn't an impetus for the machine to re-engineer the system (cost-benefit analysis, blabadiblah-blah), so we limp along at 90% efficiency/utility/ease-of-use/transparency (or whatever the % is) because that's where we are...

It's a good show to reach 90% of anything...every little bit past 90 toward 100% is almost as hard as reaching 90% itself...

So it goes.

 

[curiousbrain]

Thanks for this, even though you're using acronyms that I know nothing about, you just cleared up my central confusion...in a way my immediate management team either didn't have the time to, or didn't care to.

It's like EDD...UPS comes up with boy-wonder systems, fails at fully initiating and implementing them in the first place, and then tries to add brick-layer levels onto a sodden-earth foundation. I can't wait till ORION comes to my building (hint, we'll be in the 'why-isn't-it-working-in-this-center?-mass-communique')

Honestly, things work 'just good enough' that there really isn't an impetus for the machine to re-engineer the system (cost-benefit analysis, blabadiblah-blah), so we limp along at 90% efficiency/utility/ease-of-use/transparency (or whatever the % is) because that's where we are...

It's a good show to reach 90% of anything...every little bit past 90 toward 100% is almost as hard as reaching 90% itself...

So it goes.

Look, I'm just some guy, who technically doesn't even work for this company anymore. If what I said helps you, great .. if not, then I'd be happy to explain the points that don't make sense.

 

[Buck Fifty]

Its to much effort,for not enough gain. I say use your 30 inch selection and the hell with all the hocus pocus. Btw, who cares about ther allowances anyway. They dont mean squat. I like working 10 hrs and planing 8 to 8 1/2. Hell these days that is scratch in our bldg.