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RockyRogue

Agent of Change
I love America but refuse to become a citizen of this country because I am English Born n Bred I`m not an American and Im not a hypocrate. I yam wat I yam tsk tsk..

ROFLMAO.....Blackbox, I told you British subjects are touchy about their status!!

UK-Guy....excuse me while I roll on the floor laughing for a few minutes. After that, I say you go back to the UK. You don't belong in the United States of America. I love the Brits but this attitude is offensive. You want to come to AMERICAN shores, enjoy AMERICAN freedoms BUT you don't want to follow AMERICAN laws OR become an AMERICAN citizen?? GET OUT!!!!!!

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this OR get a slap on the wrist from a moderator but this attitude isn't respectable. -Rocky
 

The-UK-Guy

Tea anyone ?
Jeeeze you guys , what the hell , either help out or dont .
I shouldnt have to owe anyone any information into my personal affairs to get some suggestions or bribe anyone with juicy gossip for some assistance.
Im not a terrorist, threat to homeland security, escaped convict or menace to society im a truck driver who didnt fill out the right forms in time.
No conspiracy theory here sorry Leaving the country for a little while really isnt that big a deal guys , there is more to life than the 52 states
we even have electricity and running water over in the UK now.
what the hell happend to a freind in need ? It would be hard for my wife and kids to adjust to the way of life back home, If they would willingly go I would be out of here in a second. I asked for help , if any one can help me out I would really appreciate it. You are supposed to help people just to help them you shouldnt require a reason or alterier motive to help for helps sake !
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RockyRogue

Agent of Change
Im not a terrorist, threat to homeland security, escaped convict or menace to society im a truck driver who didnt fill out the right forms in time.

Immaterial to this discussion, although that's nice to know.

No conspiracy theory here sorry Leaving the country for a little while really isnt that big a deal guys , there is more to life than the 52 states

When did ANYONE--least of all ME--suggest a conspiracy theory, sir? Let alone any sinister aspect such as being an escaped convict or menace to society? You forgetting to fill out forms isn't what set off this rant.

what the hell happend to a freind in need ? It would be hard for my wife and kids to adjust to the way of life back home, If they would willingly go I would be out of here in a second. I asked for help , if any one can help me out I would really appreciate it. You are supposed to help people just to help them you shouldnt require a reason or alterier motive to help for helps sake!

Hey....GLAD to help a friend in need. When that FRIEND admits to taking advantage of the country that has protected him with fair laws and regulation, provided him freedoms not found ANYWHERE else in the world AND molded him into the person he is today, refuses to become a CITIZEN of that country despite the opportunity AND yearns for the OLD COUNTRY, I say its time to go back to the Old Country. And there's nothing wrong with that. I saw a number once of the people that come over here from Europe and decide they don't like and return to Europe. Its not a bad thing. Just lose the attitude. -Rocky
 

The-UK-Guy

Tea anyone ?
ROFLMAO.....Blackbox, I told you British subjects are touchy about their status!!

UK-Guy....excuse me while I roll on the floor laughing for a few minutes. After that, I say you go back to the UK. You don't belong in the United States of America. I love the Brits but this attitude is offensive. You want to come to AMERICAN shores, enjoy AMERICAN freedoms BUT you don't want to follow AMERICAN laws OR become an AMERICAN citizen?? GET OUT!!!!!!

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this OR get a slap on the wrist from a moderator but this attitude isn't respectable. -Rocky

I do love this country and if needed would die for it
I follow American Laws thats why Im leaving the country Idiot.
Why the hell should I become something I`m not ? would you rather me put my hand over my heart and say a bunch of BS I dont truely belive and swear to YOUR flag just cos I live here. I have done everything by the book , I follow your rules and laws and respect your government I dont vote because Im not a citizen and I dont have all the rights that you as an american have I freely waive them I am here because of my wife and children who are all American Citizens. You are completely wrong buddy you sound like a Nazi. you remember a little saying Freedom of choice ? I am a citizen of the World not America
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
You really need to be calling your local Union hall. Where I am from, employees are allowed to take a leave of absence for union business, with no loss of seniority. We had a guy who took a job as a Recording Secretary for the local, but he didnt want to fully retire from UPS and risk being voted out of office at the union. He stayed on our seniority board for 6 years, and could have come back to driving at any time. He retired from his union position and never came back to driving at all.
As for you not wanting to become a US citizen---thats your business. As far as I am concerned, you are a taxpayer and a fellow Union member, as long as you are here legally and not breaking any laws it shouldnt matter whether you pursue citizenship or not. Good luck!
 

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
Why the hell should I become something I`m not ? would you rather me put my hand over my heart and say a bunch of BS I dont truely belive and swear to YOUR flag just cos I live here.

Interesting post, UK-Guy. You shouldn't become something you're not BUT at the same time, you've lived here for half your life, have a family here, etc. Your wife and kids ARE American citizens, yet you are not. That might say somethiing right there.

You are completely wrong buddy you sound like a Nazi. you remember a little saying Freedom of choice ? I am a citizen of the World not America

I may be wrong but Nazi is overboard. Nope, never heard of the saying Freedom of Choice, at least not in this context. The citizen of the world thing sounds like another European thing. I still think you should go back and give serious thought about not coming back to the U.S.A. I've NEVER met a naturalized American citizen that talked like you do. Having pride in the Old Country isn't wrong but you go too far.

My two cents....-Rocky
 

The-UK-Guy

Tea anyone ?
take a look around buddy your country isnt as great as you think it is.
no public health care for its citizens thousands of homeless people,
huge gang problems murders overcrowded jails yet billions of dollars being spent to wage war in foreign countrys.
I`ll probably take a lot of flack over saying that. Ask the rest of the world their opinion on America Rocky I bet you wont like what you hear.

and answer this young man if you are as proud an American as you say you are if you were to end up in a different country , lets say England, because you met the girl (or guy) of your dreams and had a child with them would you renounce your American citizenship and swear to the UNION JACK ??
answer carefuly
 
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soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
Hey....GLAD to help a friend in need. When that FRIEND admits to taking advantage of the country that has protected him with fair laws and regulation.... I say its time to go back to the Old Country.
How is he "taking advantage" of anything? He is working and paying the same taxes that a citizen does. He is obeying the laws that a citizen does. He is not asking for any special treatment or rights. He accepts the fact that he cant vote. if he has spent 17 years busting his ass for UPS, what difference should it make whether or not he chooses to pursue citizenship?
 

The-UK-Guy

Tea anyone ?
Interesting post, UK-Guy. You shouldn't become something you're not BUT at the same time, you've lived here for half your life, have a family here, etc. Your wife and kids ARE American citizens, yet you are not. That might say somethiing right there.

yep it says I wasnt born here should I just bail on them dude let them be wards of the state or should I force them to live somewhere they dont want to and make them become British Citizens ?



I may be wrong but Nazi is overboard. Nope, never heard of the saying Freedom of Choice, at least not in this context. The citizen of the world thing sounds like another European thing. I still think you should go back and give serious thought about not coming back to the U.S.A. I've NEVER met a naturalized American citizen that talked like you do. Having pride in the Old Country isn't wrong but you go too far.

whatever dude. people like you make me want to stay over there.
My two cents....-Rocky
 

The-UK-Guy

Tea anyone ?
To all you Americans out there that dont mind citizens of other countrys making the best of a situation over here I hope I didnt sound like i was badmouthing the USA I love it over here , every country has its good and bad. I get upset when people get so self- rightous with their personal feelings. Live and let live I say. Theres enough room here for all of us .
 

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
take a look around buddy your country isnt as great as you think it is. no public health care for its citizens thousands of homeless people, huge gang problems murders overcrowded jails yet billions of dollars being spent to wage war in foreign countrys. I`ll probably take a lot of flack over saying that. Ask the rest of the world their opinion on America Rocky I bet you wont like what you hear.

I'll answer your first section with this: got a better idea for a system? Because we don't. And please, don't bring that socialist crap here. As far as the international opinion of the U.S of A....we've taken a beating there, no argument. If you're going to blame Mr. Bush, fine. I will not defend his foreign policy decisions after March 2003 when the Iraq War started. I've lost at least two high school classmates in the Middle East in the last three years and quite frankly find the Iraq War to be a miscarriage of our checks and balances system. Let's leave this alone now, shall we?

and answer this young man if you are as proud an American as you say you are if you were to end up in a different country , lets say London , because you met the girl (or guy) of your dreams and had a child with them would you renounce your American citizenship and swear to the UNION JACK?? answer carefuly

Hey, UK, I've got a lot of respect for your government and your people. Next to Americans, they're the hardiest people I've ever met! I'll never forget Winston Churchill's 'we will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the streets' speech my high school history teacher extolled for a week. No, that's not where my problem lies. I'd like to visit London in the next couple years (my reward for paying off these student loan debts I'll be carting around starting soon).

As far as the young woman, I would not give up my American citizenship. Uh-uh....NOT happening. And if I'm not mistaken, you are allowed to retain the citizenship of your home country when you become a naturalized American citizen. As a result, you would have dual citizenship. I fail to see a problem here, with the exception of the pride of being a British subject being lost. Ahhh, well....never having been a British subject, I really can't speak intelligently on this subject.

How is he "taking advantage" of anything? He is working and paying the same taxes that a citizen does. He is obeying the laws that a citizen does. He is not asking for any special treatment or rights. He accepts the fact that he cant vote. if he has spent 17 years busting his ass for UPS, what difference should it make whether or not he chooses to pursue citizenship?

He's taking advantage because he's been here since he was a teen, had a job here since then and has a wife and kids here. He's enjoyed the freedoms of American shores, the protections afforded Americans AND the rights (with the exception of voting) and the amenities of American shores (probably including home-ownership, too). I saw a figure once about home-ownership in the UK, particularly England. Its nowhere near what we have. C'mon....being here THAT long while doing all this without deciding to become a citizen doesn't bother you a little? Sorry, UK and Sober....I guess there's too much of that traditionalist and/or patriot in me. -Rocky
 

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
To all you Americans out there that dont mind citizens of other countrys making the best of a situation over here I hope I didnt sound like i was badmouthing the USA I love it over here , every country has its good and bad. I get upset when people get so self- rightous with their personal feelings. Live and let live I say. Theres enough room here for all of us .

I never said I had a problem with people from other cultures, UK-Guy. I apologize if that's the way it sounded. I just have a problem with people that think they're holier than thou when it comes to citizenship in what has all but become their adopted home. -Rocky
 

LV_TSC

Going Green!
PS The Unites States does not recognize any citizenship other than it's own. I have a friend who just got her citizenship after 14 years, between her family and her own doing... and working their butts off, she made the appointment, had the interview, took the test - got her passport.
I have a few choice words for this country's direction, but no need to get into that here...
HIYOOOOH LIBERTARIAN AWAY!
 

LV_TSC

Going Green!
To all you Americans out there that dont mind citizens of other countrys making the best of a situation over here I hope I didnt sound like i was badmouthing the USA I love it over here , every country has its good and bad. I get upset when people get so self- rightous with their personal feelings. Live and let live I say. Theres enough room here for all of us .


Personal opinion, there's only room here for those who want it bad enough and are willing to work hard for it.
Sounds like you're in that area, so I wish the best of luck to you!
 

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
PS The Unites States does not recognize any citizenship other than it's own. I have a friend who just got her citizenship after 14 years, between her family and her own doing... and working their butts off, she made the appointment, had the interview, took the test - got her passport.

First of all, good for your friend! Second, I really thought the law allowed for dual citizenship. Apparently, I was wrong, so never mind. -Rocky
 

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
PS The Unites States does not recognize any citizenship other than it's own.

Huh....interesting. I thought the United States recognized dual citizenship. I know my uncle--a native of Mexico--hasn't signed and submitted a final piece of paperwork to receive his American passport. I thought he'd told me he would retain his Mexican citizenship. I must have heard wrong. -Rocky
 

LV_TSC

Going Green!
Hey I thought so too! But she told me they no longer recognized it... it goes for a few countries in the EU as well. Ironically enough, she's recognized as a citizen in 4 different countries now!
 

The-UK-Guy

Tea anyone ?
I dont have any more time to argue Rocky . I dont care about your opinion of me . I do however care about my wife and children and I need my job to support them. I will change my name to The-US-Guy and go become a citizen so I am no longer breaking your laws and taking advantage of your great country that is making me leave my wife and children because i screwed up some forms, that can walk into my house whenever they want because I am not a citizen, that can moniter my phone calls, regularly call me for blood samples to check I dont have hiv or any other disease, charges me 10 times more than you pay at community colleges can revoke my status at any time for no reason and will take 25% more tax off any inheritance I may leave to my children when I pass than they would take off you to your children. there are also special circumstances regarding my w2s , nor can I be a ward of the sate or claim welfare (not that I ever would) if I break any laws of this country I face immediate deportation and would lose any property and assets that I may have gained during my stay here . during any trial I would be Guilty until proven innocent and would face double the penalty if convicted. I would pay my debt to society first then to the INS for breaking the contract I signed upon entrance to the county then also back in the UK for embarrising my country as a representative. I hope this makes you happy Rocky.
 
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