UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Dilli, I don't think anything will be "business as usual" anymore.
I usually have to spend 10-15 mins after lunch to look through my truck for misloads. We were told to have this done by 3pm or it would be our fault if we found one after the fact. So add that to my nothing getting done, time. Hey, heres a novel idea, how about holding the damn preloader responsible for his work, or lack thereof, so I don't have to waste my freakin time! They can put one of those things on my hood for all I care. Get on the damn truck if you dont think Im doing my job. Spineless pansies.
You need to file a grievance on this (paid for time). Your lunch does not start with the completion of your last stop before lunch. It starts when you are not on company time (take the key out of your ignition). You do not operate their vehicle while off the clock.
we have feeder drvs who leave the yard in the tractors to get lunch.come back 15/20 min later then p/o for lunch.only a matter of time before that comes crashing down on us.
............... Spineless pansies.
That is why I say you need to file a grievance on it. You do have to work as instructed, but they have no contractual right to do this. Once the grievance procedure proceeds, they should back off. If not then the grievance needs to go to panel (if you have a decent BA). It may time a little time, but this is BS treatment. You have to be given time to get to a place where you can sit down out of the elements and get a warm meal; and this doesnt include driving the truck on your own time.The problem with this is that they expect you to take lunch at that spot. There is no paid time driving to a restaurant, conveinence store, bathroom. Just another example of drivers being overscrutinized and harassed
The problem with this is that they expect you to take lunch at that spot. There is no paid time driving to a restaurant, conveinence store, bathroom. Just another example of drivers being overscrutinized and harassed
What they are telling you is illogical. If driving to your lunch location is on your time, what happens if you get in an accident? On a driver log, is it on duty time?
If you can drive your vehicle to your lunch location, can you then drive it to do errands while you're on lunch?
They are starting down a very slippery slope. Do the same rules apply for feeder??
The problem is that there is not a uniform rule for lunch at UPS. For some districts, its take lunch on area. Others its on trace. Others say a "reasonable" distance off trace.
I think Lunch rules is going to have to be more standardized.
P-Man
I think Telematics
I'm sure you are right. Here though, for now, nothing has changed.Dilli, I don't think anything will be "business as usual" anymore.
I agree with you P-man
The problem with our company is that "reasonable" needs to be quantified into UPS math. Is reasonable 1 mile? Is reasonable 5 minutes? Is reasonable on trace in direction of next stop?
To think that as drivers, we are the cause of UPS losing money is ridiculous. This harassment doesn't end at lunches. If i'm given 9 hours of work and bust my ass to get this done in 8.5 hours, my sitting at the letterbox waiting for the commit time is stealing money !! How absurd is that !! My name gets red-flagged for this unproductive time, even though I was more than productive for 8.5 hours before this.
This will not end in the near future. The only thing that can change this is better language in the contract. Until then, we as drivers will be harassed for the next 5 years.
What they are telling you is illogical. If driving to your lunch location is on your time, what happens if you get in an accident? On a driver log, is it on duty time?
If you can drive your vehicle to your lunch location, can you then drive it to do errands while you're on lunch?
They are starting down a very slippery slope. Do the same rules apply for feeder??
Heff,
I am in no way trying to justify what has been told to you but let me give you the other side of the story.
While its true that I'm seeing evidence here of telematics being used for nit pick items, I've seen many, many cases where telematics has shown large discrepancies in activities.
You were questioned because your lunch looked like it was 12 minutes over due to travel to and from your lunch spot. I've seen lots of cases of drivers taking 2 hour lunches, and the difference was NOT travel to a spot.
I've seen lots of cases of drivers grossly running up miles and they were not due to a poor trace in EDD.
Someone else here was questioned for small variances in idle time. I've seen lots of cases of drivers leaving their engine on all day almost (and it wasn't to keep warm during a cold spell).
Again, my point is NOT to justify what your management team is doing to you, but to point out that not all drivers are like you.
I think management needs to figure out how to use the system to correct the real problems that exist and stop trying to fix a small incident.
I think telematics has some excellent business value if used properly. I will never condone a manager using it improperly. I assume you would not condone a driver's behavior that was improper either.
P-Man
It's amazing to me that UPS will spend this much money and effort for no other reason than to spy on drivers, yet they refuse to train the preloaders how to put packages on the proper truck. Since our center installed ED and PAS, we have more misloads than before.Just curious if any other buildings have D.A.R. It's a device that's covertly hidden (internally or externally). It tracks movement basically recording information such as durations times, dates, speeds, etc.. Then it's detached and uploaded to a computer or the data is examined on google earth or live for precise satellite pictures. It then shows actual movement in or around buildings, down streets, etc..
It's a relatively cheap system that 1 ups telematics by providing an actual picture.
It's amazing to me that UPS will spend this much money and effort for no other reason than to spy on drivers, yet they refuse to train the preloaders how to put packages on the proper truck. Since our center installed ED and PAS, we have more misloads than before.
It's amazing to me that UPS will spend this much money and effort for no other reason than to spy on drivers, yet they refuse to train the preloaders how to put packages on the proper truck. Since our center installed ED and PAS, we have more misloads than before.
You guys are drivers, I have sorted, scanned, and have been down watching the loading. Its all different in each center, I guess. We now have no address on the lable, to match with package, so the scanner is under more pressure. Anyway, we all have beefs, but the loader and scanner get screamed at, like the drivers!From what I have read here it is not the training that is lacking, it is the increased production that is causing the misloads. With PAS/EDD the loader is supposed to check the PAL against the physical label before loading but when they are pushing them out of the feeders these kids barely have enough time to stack them behind the pkg cars let alone ensure that they are loading them in the right car or even the right PAL location.
Heff, I also have drop boxes and on those days when I am done early I will ODS the center to let them know that I have finished my lunch and breaks and am waiting for my drop boxes and then give them the option of either telling me to come in and they will cover them or having me stay out, knowing that I will be sitting somewhere (probably at home on BC.) This does not happen very often but when it does it puts the burden on them.
The days of business as usual are quickly becoming a distant memory.