FBI Raids Mar-a-lago

[newfie]

Oh he certainly does have a different opinion which is fine, but just like women being prevented from having rape pregnancies terminated he would sit around excusing outlawing homosexuality as a mostly moral good. That’s not a good opinion…

is it possible to have a platform that says you disagree with the act but not the person. Hate the sin not the sinner?

you despise christians but at the same time those people will tell you they hate your sexuality while doing anything they can to help feed you or clothe you or pray for you.

 

[Thebrownblob]

There's no single gene for heart disease, either. And plenty have tried.

I don’t think that was a very good analogy but thanks for playing…. Looks like a lot of environmental and lifestyle choices have quite a bit to do with heart disease….

Genetic factors likely play some role in high blood pressure, heart disease, and other related conditions. However, it is also likely that people with a family history of heart disease share common environments and other factors that may increase their risk.

The risk for heart disease can increase even more when heredity combines with unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as smoking cigarettes and eating an unhealthy diet.

Know Your Risk for Heart Disease | cdc.gov

Certain health conditions and your lifestyle and family history can increase your risk for heart disease. Learn more about these risk factors.

www.cdc.gov

 

[newolddude]

the president is the ultimate authority on declassification. he does not need anyones approval and he does not have to wait on any process when declassifying. He has the authority to verbally declare a document is declassified regardless of whether someone eventually changes the stamp on the document or not.

I know you like to project, but the President doesn’t get to rule by sole decree.

Nixon had to write a letter, hand it to Kissinger and Kissinger had to approve for his resignation.

Today's Document from the National Archives

Americas Historical Documents -- Selected Online Documents from the National Archives

www.archives.gov

 

[Next Day Error]

I don’t think that was a very good analogy but thanks for playing…. Looks like a lot of environmental and lifestyle choices have quite a bit to do with heart disease….

Genetic factors likely play some role in high blood pressure, heart disease, and other related conditions. However, it is also likely that people with a family history of heart disease share common environments and other factors that may increase their risk.

The risk for heart disease can increase even more when heredity combines with unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as smoking cigarettes and eating an unhealthy diet.

Know Your Risk for Heart Disease | cdc.gov

Certain health conditions and your lifestyle and family history can increase your risk for heart disease. Learn more about these risk factors.

www.cdc.gov

Nice try. This wasn't a rebuttal to my statement. Show me where there's a single gene responsible for heart disease. There are likely many. That's my point about sexual orientation. It's super complex.

 

[Next Day Error]

I don’t think that was a very good analogy but thanks for playing…. Looks like a lot of environmental and lifestyle choices have quite a bit to do with heart disease….

Genetic factors likely play some role in high blood pressure, heart disease, and other related conditions. However, it is also likely that people with a family history of heart disease share common environments and other factors that may increase their risk.

The risk for heart disease can increase even more when heredity combines with unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as smoking cigarettes and eating an unhealthy diet.

Know Your Risk for Heart Disease | cdc.gov

Certain health conditions and your lifestyle and family history can increase your risk for heart disease. Learn more about these risk factors.

www.cdc.gov

The CDC is good enough to cite when they write about cardiology but not when they write about a pandemic, huh.

 

[bbsam]

every president has that back and forth with the archives. Trump returned what they asked for. Archives said trump cooperated and that they the archives were not the cause of the raid.

not according to the national archives.

none of this recquires a raid. Trump met with them June 4th showed them everything he had. They asked for a better lock on the storage area. they waited two months before asking for a search warrant. Not a lot of urgency there.

Classified or not, who owns the documents?

 

[Next Day Error]

Classified or not, who owns the documents?

Checkmate.

This isn't debatable.

 

[newfie]

NARA and the DOJ had no reason to believe those documents went through the declassification process. And yes, there's a process. Trump doesn't get to say that the classified material is just magically declassified after he's caught with a cache of them. LOL

If Obama did this you'd be screaming bloody murder.

it does not matter what they believe . Trump needs no one elses approval. if he says he declassified them as president then they are declassified.

this is the part you dems keep getting stuck on. there is no approver to deny trump declassifed those documents. Trump was the ultimate and only authority needed.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Classified or not, who owns the documents?

Ultimately they belong to us. Archives are to keep them for future generations to see.

 

[newfie]

I know you like to project, but the President doesn’t get to rule by sole decree.

in the declassification of document he as president was the sole decree. thats not projection thats the law.

once he leaves office they could decide to reclassify if they so choose. that does not make anything trump did wrong when he declassified them as president.

 

[newfie]

Classified or not, who owns the documents?

to be decided in court. the scope was broad. they told the FBI to take anything found and generated during his presidency.
most of that was never classified. lot of memorabilia that I'm sure Trump would like to keep.

i guess they're arguing its work product covered by the presidential records act. not sure.

 

[newfie]

Ultimately they belong to us. Archives are to keep them for future generations to see.

and subject to a battle with every president leaving office. The letter that kim jun un wrote to trump i hear is in the confiscated pile.
trump will argue that it is a personal letter written to him. the archives will argue its an important part of history that they the archives needs to preserve.

 

[El Correcto]

Nice try. This wasn't a rebuttal to my statement. Show me where there's a single gene responsible for heart disease. There are likely many. That's my point about sexual orientation. It's super complex.

Like I said these people are nut jobs, leave it alone or this entire thread is just gonna turn into gay sex is literally murder.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Nice try. This wasn't a rebuttal to my statement. Show me where there's a single gene responsible for heart disease. There are likely many. That's my point about sexual orientation. It's super complex.

It’s a perfect rebuttal from the CDC knucklehead it doesn’t even say there’s any Gene it does however reference environmental as well as health choices made by the person with the heart disease.
For anyone to say they know for sure is sophistry. Apparently not even scientist know.

As to whether or not there’s a homosexual gene I don’t know and I don’t care.

 

[over9five]

Like I said these people are nut jobs, leave it alone or this entire thread is just gonna turn into gay sex is literally murder.

Lol, pretty much.

Let's get back to the topic:

FBI Raids Mar-a-lago​

 

[Thebrownblob]

and subject to a battle with every president leaving office. The letter that kim jun un wrote to trump i hear is in the confiscated pile.
trump will argue that it is a personal letter written to him. the archives will argue its an important part of history that they the archives needs to preserve.

Absolutely this seems to happen after every president leaves, only this time One side has decided to Ratchet it up.

 

[Next Day Error]

it does not matter what they believe . Trump needs no one elses approval. if he says he declassified them as president then they are declassified.

this is the part you dems keep getting stuck on. there is no approver to deny trump declassifed those documents. Trump was the ultimate and only authority needed.

Can't declassify after the fact.

Plus, as @bbsam succinctly pointed out... those government documents DON'T BELONG TO ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL. Trump can't take them, regardless of classification status.

 

[Next Day Error]

Lol, pretty much.

Let's get back to the topic:

FBI Raids Mar-a-lago​

The topic really should be "FBI executes a legal search warrant". Calling it a "raid" implies some extralegal activity. Let's try and be accurate.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The CDC is good enough to cite when they write about cardiology but not when they write about a pandemic, huh.

I only referenced them because that’s your God. But apparently you only believe your God when it suits you

 

[Next Day Error]

Why Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Document Dump May Be a Crime

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?​

Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.