FBI Raids Mar-a-lago

[newfie]

Declassification is a process that leaves a digital as well as a paper trail. This has been explained to you ad nauseum yet it seems too complicated a concept for you to grasp .Perhaps you should go back to quoting posts and changing the words as that really seems to be at the limit of your understanding of these matters

In Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, the Supreme Court set forth the constitutional basis for the President's privileges for confidential communications: "Unless [the President] can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends." 433 U.S. at 448-49. The Court cited the precedent of the Constitutional Convention, the records of which were "sealed for more than 30 years after the Convention." Id. at 447 n.11. Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.

 

[Next Day Error]

In Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, the Supreme Court set forth the constitutional basis for the President's privileges for confidential communications: "Unless [the President] can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends." 433 U.S. at 448-49. The Court cited the precedent of the Constitutional Convention, the records of which were "sealed for more than 30 years after the Convention." Id. at 447 n.11. Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.

Good thing the prosecution's case against Trump wouldn't hinge on the classification status of these documents. It's a matter of theft of government property. Trump had them in his possession after being fired, wouldn't give them all back, lied about giving them all back, and now is complaining about the government removing them from his possession while making up stories about classification-this and classification-that. Doesn't matter. They're not his materials, regardless. Government property.

 

[728ups]

In Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, the Supreme Court set forth the constitutional basis for the President's privileges for confidential communications: "Unless [the President] can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends." 433 U.S. at 448-49. The Court cited the precedent of the Constitutional Convention, the records of which were "sealed for more than 30 years after the Convention." Id. at 447 n.11. Based on those precedents and principles, the Court ruled that constitutionally based privileges available to a President "survive[] the individual President's tenure." Id. at 449. The Court also held that a former President, although no longer a Government official, may assert constitutionally based privileges with respect to his Administration's Presidential records, and expressly rejected the argument that "only an incumbent President can assert the privilege of the Presidency." Id. at 448.

You arent even close to making a point you think you are making. I nver said he couldt declassify i said its more than just waving his hand over the documents and declaring them declassified. I stand by that statement as we all know actions like that leavea digital and paper trail

 

[728ups]

does not matter . once the president says something is declassified its done regardless of whether the administrative process was performed correctly.

the president could for instance say to his intelligence folks any document in my possession is automatically declassified and that is the end of the story.

I know you don't like it that Trump had that power but it is what it is.

I'm done discussing this .I have proved how wrong you are, but since it doesn;t go with what you believe you prefer to cling to your own ignorance,wrapped up in it like a blanket . I pity you

 

[728ups]

the president can say "these documents are now declassified" at that point they are declassified regardless of whether or not the process documents it properly.
otherwise if the president had to wait for some clerk to do the paperwork then that clerk could disrupt the process and delay it from happening.
nothing can ever delay a president from doing his job.

in your world the president would have to wait on a process before being able to do his job. So in the current scenario if that admin does not like Biden then the admin could find ways to delay the declassification process or even refuse to do so based on some disagreement with how Biden wants to handle the declassification. This would effectively put the clerk in the process at a higher level of authority over the president because the clerk would have control over a part of the process.

since Biden has the ultimate classification authority no person and no process can delay him from declassifying whatever documents he wants declassified. Once the president says they are declassified thats it regardless of whether the stamps are changed and regardless of whatever administrative process is executed or not.

your understanding is completely wrong here and solely based on the fact that you want to change the law to get at Trump.

your ignorance is both entertaining and appalling

 

[oldngray]

Judge Reinhart formally rejects DOJ argument to keep Trump affidavit sealed, calls raid 'unprecedented'

Judge Bruce Reinhart formally rejected the DOJ's argument to keep the affidavit for the FBI’s “unprecedented” raid of former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home under seal.

www.foxnews.com

 

[newfie]

Good thing the prosecution's case against Trump wouldn't hinge on the classification status of these documents. It's a matter of theft of government property. Trump had them in his possession after being fired, wouldn't give them all back, lied about giving them all back, and now is complaining about the government removing them from his possession while making up stories about classification-this and classification-that. Doesn't matter. They're not his materials, regardless. Government property.

um you gave up on the classification argument in defeat in a previous post and were arguing that Trump had no right to those documents.

i just showed you that former presidents do have a constitutional right to their documents.

 

[newfie]

You arent even close to making a point you think you are making. I nver said he couldt declassify i said its more than just waving his hand over the documents and declaring them declassified. I stand by that statement as we all know actions like that leavea digital and paper trail

we keep going around the barn and you keep avoiding the answer because you know you're wrong.

when a president any president waves his hand and says i declassify these who has a higher authority besides you on this web forum to tell him that he cant do so?

what process is there that is going to tell him he cant do it. there is none. whether some clerk stamps everything correctly does not affect his presidential power to do so.

how many times are you going to make this argument before you realize how stupid you look?

 

[newfie]

I'm done discussing this .I have proved how wrong you are, but since it doesn;t go with what you believe you prefer to cling to your own ignorance,wrapped up in it like a blanket . I pity you

finally your ignorance is becoming a reality to you

 

[newfie]

your ignorance is both entertaining and appalling

good to see you retreat in defeat. the only way you could have embarassed yourself any worse is showing us pictures of you in your crap stained drawers.

 

[vantexan]

Good thing the prosecution's case against Trump wouldn't hinge on the classification status of these documents. It's a matter of theft of government property. Trump had them in his possession after being fired, wouldn't give them all back, lied about giving them all back, and now is complaining about the government removing them from his possession while making up stories about classification-this and classification-that. Doesn't matter. They're not his materials, regardless. Government property.

Is there a prosecutor with a case?

 

[newfie]

Is there a prosecutor with a case?

yep a team of them called @728ups and @Next Day Error . they dont know crap about the law but they'll make it up as they go.

 

[oldngray]

yep a team of them called @728ups and @Next Day Error . they dont know crap about the law but they'll make it up as they go.

Schiff is on your side

 

[vantexan]

Schiff is on your side

I thought all of this looked familiar. It's another Schiffshow!

 

[Next Day Error]

Is there a prosecutor with a case?

I said that their case may happen, but it wouldn’t hinge on classification.

 

[Next Day Error]

Schiff is on your side

2 impeachments. No traitor Senate to let him off the hook this time

 

[newfie]

I said that their case may happen, but it wouldn’t hinge on classification.

you have no frigging idea but you're gums are flapping anyway.

 

[vantexan]

I said that their case may happen, but it wouldn’t hinge on classification.

You said it would be based on theft. It's beginning to look like a fishing expedition that the DOJ/FBI can't justify.

 

[Babagounj]

2 impeachments. No traitor Senate to let him off the hook this time

Haven't you been following the current events on this subject ?
He's winning on getting rid of those who decided to follow the Ds lead on this matter.
Some decide that it was a good time to retire and the others lost their elections.

 

[oldngray]

On Monday afternoon, attorneys for former President Donald Trump filed a motion in the ongoing saga of the FBI's raid on his "Southern White House" Mar-a-Lago.

Their request: appoint a special master to review what the FBI seized during their hours-long raid — that included a search of former First Lady Melania Trump's closet — and an injunction to prevent federal investigators from reviewing contents of the seizure until a special master can be appointed.

Trump Files New Motion in Mar-a-Lago Raid Saga

townhall.com

Too bad the FBI has already had it long enough to look at everything.