UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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In a class action lawsuit the lead plaintiffs generally receive much more than the rest of the claimants.
Fedex to pay $228 million to settle independent contractor case
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In a class action lawsuit the lead plaintiffs generally receive much more than the rest of the claimants.
gixxer squid
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Yes, Unfortunately still here, not by choice though.
My 02 cents, we are owned by fedex, always will be so move on if you don't like. Don't care how many PSA/ ISP whatever you wanna call it. We don't own
except the trucks that are worthless to anyone else except fedex.
Recently had fedex maintenance honcho come through and tear just about every contractor in the terminal a new a hole in preparation for our ISP negotiations LOL, regarding getting trucks up to date.
They dangled the carrot in front of us jack asses and gave 5k to void contract last OCT, not like we had a choice, and then we have had to repaint and decal just about every truck which a few were painted a few years ago, spending now 15-20k on 8 trucks to meet their guidelines.
So why have the trucks been fine to deliver before but now fedex needs to look brand-new??
We had a driver suspended, management calls us in before the day even over asking the broken record question...
'WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? ' hey, supposedly your not my boss, so its none of your business what my plan is.....
Sorry, but no one can or should even try to convince me that we are independent service contractors....
My 02 cents, we are owned by fedex, always will be so move on if you don't like. Don't care how many PSA/ ISP whatever you wanna call it. We don't own
except the trucks that are worthless to anyone else except fedex.Recently had fedex maintenance honcho come through and tear just about every contractor in the terminal a new a hole in preparation for our ISP negotiations LOL, regarding getting trucks up to date.
They dangled the carrot in front of us jack asses and gave 5k to void contract last OCT, not like we had a choice, and then we have had to repaint and decal just about every truck which a few were painted a few years ago, spending now 15-20k on 8 trucks to meet their guidelines.
So why have the trucks been fine to deliver before but now fedex needs to look brand-new??
We had a driver suspended, management calls us in before the day even over asking the broken record question...
'WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? ' hey
, supposedly your not my boss, so its none of your business what my plan is.....Sorry, but no one can or should even try to convince me that we are independent service contractors....
gixxer squid
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gixxer squid
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BTW, has anyone else been having their worker comp rates change each month at the whim of Marsh with no explanations, just "well rates have just gone up...."
Expenses are in no way staying in line with income and we run a very tight ship....... Our ISP rates straight said in our meeting, "Don't be asking for more money cause your not going to get it in this ISP transition."
Well don't call it negotiations than dumbs, Just say this is what we are going to give you, take it or leave it. Been trying to leave it the last 9 months........Cant find any dummies out there yet......
Expenses are in no way staying in line with income and we run a very tight ship....... Our ISP rates straight said in our meeting, "Don't be asking for more money cause your not going to get it in this ISP transition."
Well don't call it negotiations than dumbs, Just say this is what we are going to give you, take it or leave it. Been trying to leave it the last 9 months........Cant find any dummies out there yet......
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Yes, Unfortunately still here, not by choice though.
My 02 cents, we are owned by fedex, always will be so move on if you don't like. Don't care how many PSA/ ISP whatever you wanna call it. We don't own
Recently had fedex maintenance honcho come through and tear just about every contractor in the terminal a new a hole in preparation for our ISP negotiations LOL, regarding getting trucks up to date.
They dangled the carrot in front of us jack asses and gave 5k to void contract last OCT, not like we had a choice, and then we have had to repaint and decal just about every truck which a few were painted a few years ago, spending now 15-20k on 8 trucks to meet their guidelines.
So why have the trucks been fine to deliver before but now fedex needs to look brand-new??
We had a driver suspended, management calls us in before the day even over asking the broken record question...
'WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? ' hey
Sorry, but no one can or should even try to convince me that we are independent service contractors....
Great post. It's information like this that proves just how dependent FedEx Ground is on FDX Corporate. They are joined at the hip, and to pretend otherwise is preposterous. I especially like them calling you about "your" suspended driver.
What an effing joke.
robdabanks
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How are the non ISP states? Are they all pushing toward ISP model?
This is only the beginning! Unfortunately for those still there in all divisions, this will come out of your butts. IWBF is a math genius! Amazing that all 2300 EMPLOYEES worked from 2000 to 2007 in his equation, of course they did, lol. Get real, it's over! Many states already are already or will be revamping their classification policies, and the lawyers asking for the changes are getting a test approved, that is not good for the Ex model as ISP or contractor. Problem for Ex is this test is the one used for state employees, contractors, etc. so Judges so far have had no problem with giving a unilateral decision for all. Once again, Ex disagreed with the decision, but of course doesn't bother to elaborate, just settles like "Oh well! Bummer". Just like a pick pocket doesn't know how your wallet ended up in their hand.
"What is your plan?"Yes, Unfortunately still here, not by choice though.
My 02 cents, we are owned by fedex, always will be so move on if you don't like. Don't care how many PSA/ ISP whatever you wanna call it. We don't own
Recently had fedex maintenance honcho come through and tear just about every contractor in the terminal a new a hole in preparation for our ISP negotiations LOL, regarding getting trucks up to date.
They dangled the carrot in front of us jack asses and gave 5k to void contract last OCT, not like we had a choice, and then we have had to repaint and decal just about every truck which a few were painted a few years ago, spending now 15-20k on 8 trucks to meet their guidelines.
So why have the trucks been fine to deliver before but now fedex needs to look brand-new??
We had a driver suspended, management calls us in before the day even over asking the broken record question...
'WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? ' hey
Sorry, but no one can or should even try to convince me that we are independent service contractors....
I love that question. My answer is, "I plan to fail miserably."
I'd have to fail miserably for a very long time to have the Agreement in any trouble. When push comes to shove, contractor relations will actually back up an ISP's "right to fail".
It will be fine
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The only time they ask me that is right before peak, but it makes sense then.
Gixxer, you can pretty much ignore them on vehicle appearance. It's at your discretion to maintain your trucks at a standard consistent to customer expectations. They've been hassling me for 4 years about the same rims and some mirrors being rusted on the back. I say, "thanks, I'll get right on it." I haven't done a thing and have no intention to and they still pay me for it. Press them on providing an actual standard beyond what some dude from maintenance says on any given day. They won't provide one so it goes back to your discretion. It always ruffles the feathers of new managers but there's nothing they can do about it.
New member here, got into ground a little over 2 years ago. Finally have some time to jump on these boards again so hopefully I can add a little here and there.
I'm in a terminal that is still IC and yes they are pretty much all going toward the ISP model. They have been making a push to put pressure on single van operators to weed them out or if they are good contractors asking them if they have the means to expand.
Btw new ISP regulations that I have been hearing are 5 PSAs or 500+ stops opposed to 3 PSAs. They want at least one person out of truck if not 2+ I am sure for contingency plans as well as making the business look more legitimate.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
This settlement is a drop in the bucket to FDX, and eventually, Ground will be all ISP. Sammy thinks that ISP will always be legal and that the model is bullet-proof. FDX runs the show, and anybody who has ever worked for an FDX opco will tell you it's all about control and micromanagement.
Fred is happy to pay the ISPs a decent amount, but FDX retains the real control. Smith doesn't want anything happening to his 17-18% profit margin at Ground.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
Whether it's IC/ISP it's all still smoke and mirrors. Smith lives for total control no hiding behind some ISP title is gonna change that.
It will be fine
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It's not that the model is bullet proof. It's certainly stronger and less likely to be challenged. The biggest take away from settlements like this is, even if FedEx is in the wrong a penalty like this is not a discouragement. They'll pay this penalty, tweak the model again and keep rolling. It's not like congress is going to pass any laws limiting contractor designations anytime soon.
Not congress responsibility, individual states will determine status through their classifications. What happens when Ex can't pass a states test with their model? Just pay the penalty and keep rolling? How many will put up the money to contract with a company that deceived the contractors for years? Sure, there are suckers born every minute, but, most of those suckers aren't carrying a couple hundred thousand to purchase a tenuous operation. Gixxer can't find one, and that situation may soon be coming to you. Media fueled public perception built Ex, over the next few years it
may kill them.
may kill them.
Gixxer isn't looking in the right places.
Almost. Investor types. We've seen two sold in 9 months.
Slick silver
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When I was at ground years back, I watched as contractors would buy out other contractors. Eventually years down the road, I can still see each ground terminal be run by one single contractor. It's like a game of monopoly, eventually there is only one winner.
gixxer squid
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Its the system, our managers are decent. However, they are on the reward system with DNA (did not arrive/attempt) which I am assuming you all know what that means. If they keep there 98 or 99% for the terminal they are rewarded. I believe they don't personally care about customer service from the heart but its all about their bonus but they discuss as truly caring about the customers package. Lets cut through the crap and be real now.....
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