GROUND AND SOUND advice

[bbsam]

Who’s laying anyone off? Nobody around here.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Who’s laying anyone off? Nobody around here.

Are you warming up in the bullpen just in case you are needed to go on road?

 

[bbsam]

Are you warming up in the bullpen just in case you are needed to go on road?

I was on road Saturday and plan to be all week.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

We've been chowing down on it since 1935 including many so called "conservatives" and you never hear them complaining about it. Perhaps it's because they don't even realize it. FUTA is part of the Social Security Act which was passed in 1935.

There is a difference between a welfare state subsidized by a market economy and socialism. JS.

 

[bacha29]

There is a difference between a welfare state subsidized by a market economy and socialism. JS.

O k I've got to hear this.......What's the difference?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

O k I've got to hear this.......What's the difference?

In a socialist economy, the means of production are owned socially, which normally means owned/managed by the government. If the government doesn't own all business activity, then they tell businesses what and how much they can produce. Socialist states have welfare programs, if they can afford them.

A welfare state almost always employs capitalist economic structure, and taxes private enterprise and individuals heavily to support welfare programs.

 

[Cactus]

OH OH OH OH!!! How many paychecks are you signing? How many people do you provide with health insurance? Let's see you do a better job.

See how that works?

I’d like to see you do better than a lot of the people you criticize on this forum.

 

[bacha29]

In a socialist economy, the means of production are owned socially, which normally means owned/managed by the government. If the government doesn't own all business activity, then they tell businesses what and how much they can produce. Socialist states have welfare programs, if they can afford them.

A welfare state almost always employs capitalist economic structure, and taxes private enterprise and individuals heavily to support welfare programs.

OK . So many of the companies listed on the S&P 500 are owned by the government? In addition do you count Medicaid as part of the welfare state? More than 60% of those receiving Medicaid and SNAP benefits work full time and nationwide 62% of all nursing home patients are on Medicaid because they've already given the nursing home all their money and property and just happen to still be alive after it was spent for their care.

 

[bacha29]

OH OH OH OH!!! How many paychecks are you signing? How many people do you provide with health insurance? Let's see you do a better job.

See how that works?

Ok Dano You are receiving full employer funded healthcare benefits. So why shouldn't the others who are directly and materially involved in the very same for profit venture you're involved in be receiving the same benefits you're getting? What in your opinion makes your life more valuable then theirs? Your access to quality healthcare is not impeded in any way by cost. Shouldn't the others who are involved in the same endeavor enjoy the same security and protection from bankrupting medical bills that you're spared from?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

OK . So many of the companies listed on the S&P 500 are owned by the government? In addition do you count Medicaid as part of the welfare state? More than 60% of those receiving Medicaid and SNAP benefits work full time and nationwide 62% of all nursing home patients are on Medicaid because they've already given the nursing home all their money and property and just happen to still be alive after it was spent for their care.

Are you telling me or asking me about S&P companies?

State-owned enterprises of the United States - Wikipedia

6 Major Welfare Programs Myths vs. Facts

 

[It will be fine]

Half? Is that before or after the ACA subsidies are factored in?

I don’t get any ACA subsidies. My wages are too high to qualify.

 

[bacha29]

Are you telling me or asking me about S&P companies?

State-owned enterprises of the United States - Wikipedia

6 Major Welfare Programs Myths vs. Facts

So what do you think needs done here? Sell the National Park Service? Cut off food and medical care to kids who had no choice of parents? Put a penny less elderly person in a wheelchair and roll them over a cliff? Just what kind of a society do you want?
As was clearly pointed out . Young and old rich and poor , all are getting some type of welfare benefit in one form or another.

 

[bacha29]

I don’t get any ACA subsidies. My wages are too high to qualify.

Of course you don't . But, you didn't say that your employees don't.

 

[It will be fine]

Of course you don't . But, you didn't say that your employees don't.

That’s not how the ACA works. They don’t get subsidies if they have coverage through their employer.

 

[bacha29]

That’s not how the ACA works. They don’t get subsidies if they have coverage through their employer.

Now let's get this straight. You provide your employees with an employer sponsored healthcare plan and you pay half the premiums for both the employee and his family including spouse and dependent children. Is that right? Now is it a silver plan or higher or is it one of those nearly worthless "bronze" plans that pays on average about 60% of billed claims and have huge deductibles and copays?

 

[It will be fine]

Now let's get this straight. You provide your employees with an employer sponsored healthcare plan and you pay half the premiums for both the employee and his family including spouse and dependent children. Is that right? Now is it a silver plan or higher or is it one of those nearly worthless "bronze" plans that pays on average about 60% of billed claims and have huge deductibles and copays?

I pay half the silver rate premium. Employees can choose either a silver or gold plan.
What health insurance options do you provide your employees?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

So what do you think needs done here? Sell the National Park Service? Cut off food and medical care to kids who had no choice of parents? Put a penny less elderly person in a wheelchair and roll them over a cliff? Just what kind of a society do you want?
As was clearly pointed out . Young and old rich and poor , all are getting some type of welfare benefit in one form or another.

I wasn't taking a stance one way or the other, just pointing out the difference between socialism and welfare states. A lot of people don't seem to know the difference, and that lack of understanding is exploitable by people pushing for socialism.

I haven't really formed much of an opinion on the matter, aside that full on socialism doesn't work. I am starting to lean towards the opinion that full-on free market capitalism might work just as well as socialism. The purist capitalists put a lot of faith in the free market, but the market is just people, and I don't trust people to act totally rationally, as is required for free markets to work properly. Just as I don't trust people to act completely egalitarian or altruistic, which is what socialism requires.

Perhaps a welfare state is a reasonable balance between the two. I can't think of any developed nation that doesn't have some welfare programs. I would like to see safeguards enacted to prevent welfare promises made by politicians to buy votes. It would also be good to prevent corporations from using welfare as an excuse to pay their employees poorly.

 

[59 Dano]

In a socialist economy, the means of production are owned socially, which normally means owned/managed by the government. If the government doesn't own all business activity, then they tell businesses what and how much they can produce. Socialist states have welfare programs, if they can afford them.

A welfare state almost always employs capitalist economic structure, and taxes private enterprise and individuals heavily to support welfare programs.

You have to understand that bacha doesn't understand the concept of a market economy with elements of socialist ideas. It's all or nothing.

 

[59 Dano]

Ok Dano You are receiving full employer funded healthcare benefits. So why shouldn't the others who are directly and materially involved in the very same for profit venture you're involved in be receiving the same benefits you're getting?

Why should they?

What in your opinion makes your life more valuable then theirs? Your access to quality healthcare is not impeded in any way by cost. Shouldn't the others who are involved in the same endeavor enjoy the same security and protection from bankrupting medical bills that you're spared from?

Beats me. There are options if they wish to pursue them.

 

[59 Dano]

What health insurance options do you provide your employees?

"Day one in the jing weeds, brutha!"