Gym Jordan

[El Correcto]

If you thinks genes cannot influence a person’s behavior, you really should study why people end up having Down syndrome.
That is a great example of how genes can directly impact a human being’s behavior.

Genes impact everything about you, you silly person. Nature vs nurture, it’s a mix, not solidly in any camp.

 

[vantexan]

Uhm yes there is as we covered and I never said they didn’t.

Never claimed it did. Saying evolution pushes something towards anything isn’t exactly correct.
Evolution has pushed many species into extinction, 99% of all species to be exact. Natural selection isn’t fair or moral, neither is the mutations from what we can tell. They seem to be quite the opposite.


No it’s not. Yet against biology does not deal in purposes or points, neither does evolution. Evolution has produced many species who were out of sync with their environment. Think about the dinosaurs that got struck by a meteor, it’s not exactly fair to say well they were a species living in this universe and should of been adapted to their planet being struck by a meteor.


No this isn’t guaranteed or the goal of evolution, because yet against evolution doesn’t have goals or purposes. It’s not like your imaginary friend there to cater to your purposes or points.

Yes genetic variance over a long enough time span can produce other species. Only complete idiots believe we are direct descendants of chimps, we share a family tree on evolution, they would be more like cousin species.


You sit there and rant about how smart humans are, then you follow it up with a very stupid statement I’ve already corrected you on before, just like the stupid statement you made when you said there are no intersex people.

This isn’t a shared view with biology, like most of your views.


There you go filling in the gaps with ignorance and hate. I don’t see being lgbt as a problem, sorry we disagree.

Some extraordinary arguments there. Evolution should have prepared dinosaurs for the possibility of meteor strikes? Evolution doesn't cause extinction. Evolution insures the viability of a species. External forces cause extinction.

Keep up the good work, we're all counting on you.

I should point out there are hermaphrodites. That's a genetic aberration, not evolution.

 

[vantexan]

If you thinks genes cannot influence a person’s behavior, you really should study why people end up having Down syndrome.
That is a great example of how genes can directly impact a human being’s behavior.

Genes impact everything about you, you silly person. Nature vs nurture, it’s a mix, not solidly in any camp.

Down syndrome doesn't influence behavior. It is a genetic aberration. The person is what they are because of Down syndrome. They aren't influenced. In other words they aren't normal human beings who act the way they do because of Down syndrome. They are totally changed by the syndrome.

 

[El Correcto]

I should point out there are hermaphrodites. That's a genetic aberration, not evolution.

No actually the argument is much the opposite of that. External forces are part of evolution. It is genetic variance and natural selection. No evolution does not guarantee or insure anything.
No I don’t view evolution as having to insure anything.

Intersex people certainly are part of evolution, genetic variance as we covered already.

 

[El Correcto]

Down syndrome doesn't influence behavior. It is a genetic aberration. The person is what they are because of Down syndrome. They aren't influenced. In other words they aren't normal human beings who act the way they do because of Down syndrome. They are totally changed by the syndrome.

LOL.
Genetic aberration seems to be this new word you use when you don’t like the genetic variance found in human beings. What a silly person you are.
Yes they are totally changed by their genes, including their behavior.

 

[vantexan]

LOL.
Genetic aberration seems to be this new word you use when you don’t like the genetic variance found in human beings. What a silly person you are.
Yes they are totally changed by their genes, including their behavior.

Your argument seems to be that there are all kinds of different humans, that we aren't binary. Until you can come up with, say, a gay gene that proves you are the way you are because of genetics, and thus it's natural for you, I'm going to have to go with it's a learned behavior.

But keep up the good work, we're all counting on you.

 

[vantexan]

No actually the argument is much the opposite of that. External forces are part of evolution. It is genetic variance and natural selection. No evolution does not guarantee or insure anything.
No I don’t view evolution as having to insure anything.

Intersex people certainly are part of evolution, genetic variance as we covered already.

You said 99% of species had evolution make them extinct. A giant meteor killing off the dinosaurs isn't evolution. It's a sudden external force on their environment that they weren't built to cope with. If someone shoots you with a gun is that evolution taking place? If you die of carbon monoxide poisoning did you evolve into extinction? You're literally grasping at straws.

 

[El Correcto]

You said 99% of species had evolution make them extinct. A giant meteor killing off the dinosaurs isn't evolution. It's a sudden external force on their environment that they weren't built to cope with. If someone shoots you with a gun is that evolution taking place? If you die of carbon monoxide poisoning did you evolve into extinction? You're literally grasping at straws.

That was a bit hyperbolic, but the point stand natural selection is part of evolution.
That is the external pressures being placed on a species.

 

[El Correcto]

Your argument seems to be that there are all kinds of different humans, that we aren't binary. Until you can come up with, say, a gay gene that proves you are the way you are because of genetics, and thus it's natural for you, I'm going to have to go with it's a learned behavior.

But keep up the good work, we're all counting on you.

No not really there are already women with XY chromosomes, that alone goes against your binary narrative.
That’s why you openly deny intersex people exist lol.

 

[vantexan]

That was a bit hyperbolic, but the point stand natural selection is part of evolution.
That is the external pressures being placed on a species.

Natural selection insures the viability of a species. There is no viability without reproduction.

 

[vantexan]

No not really there are already women with XY chromosomes, that alone goes against your binary narrative.
That’s why you openly deny intersex people exist lol.

Can they reproduce? Can you come up with one woman determined to have X and Y chromosomes who has reproduced? Because if she can't then she's an aberration, not proof that there's all these varieties of people out there. Without reproduction you'll have to depend on heterosexual sex to produce more aberrations. At least an aberration has a genetic mutation that caused it. There's no proof that a gay gene exists.

 

[El Correcto]

Natural selection insures the viability of a species. There is no viability without reproduction.

Yet again biology doesn’t describe points or purposes that is your subjective leaking into the objective functions biology observes and records. And reproduction doesn’t have to be tied directly to intercourse in human beings, if a gay wants a biological kid they can get one without having straight sex.

 

[El Correcto]

Can they reproduce? Can you come up with one woman determined to have X and Y chromosomes who has reproduced? Because if she can't then she's an aberration, not proof that there's all these varieties of people out there. Without reproduction you'll have to depend on heterosexual sex to produce more aberrations. At least an aberration has a genetic mutation that caused it. There's no proof that a gay gene exists.

That isn’t true, those people still exist you’re trying to boil down life into a purpose or point, that is your opinion and a very stupid one.

 

[Box Ox]

reproduction doesn’t have to be tied directly to intercourse in human beings, if a gay wants a biological kid they can get one without having straight sex.

Serious question: Do gay couples have a process for deciding which one's sperm/egg will be used with the surrogate? One of them will inevitably have no genetic connection to the child, right? That can't be easy.

 

[El Correcto]

Serious question: Do gay couples have a process for deciding which one's sperm/egg will be used with the surrogate? One of them will inevitably have no genetic connection to the child, right? That can't be easy.

Plenty of straight people raise children that don’t have a genetic connection to them.
I don’t know maybe rock paper scissors or flip a coin?

 

[Box Ox]

Natural selection insures the viability of a species. There is no viability without reproduction.

reproduction doesn’t have to be tied directly to intercourse in human beings, if a gay wants a biological kid they can get one without having straight sex.

Serious question: Do gay couples have a process for deciding which one's sperm/egg will be used with the surrogate? One of them will inevitably have no genetic connection to the child, right? That can't be easy.

Plenty of straight people raise children that don’t have a genetic connection to them.

Right, but the vast majority of children of straight couples do have a genetic connection to both parents. When gay couples go the surrogate route, one of the parents is kicked out of the gene pool 100% of the time. So there seems to be a big difference there.

 

[El Correcto]

Right, but the vast majority of children of straight couples do have a genetic connection to both parents. When gay couples go the surrogate route, one of the parents is kicked out of the gene pool 100% of the time. So there seems to be a big difference there.

No not really, if it was some huge issue to people they could(wait for it) have two children ommmgawd what that’s crazy right?

Do straight people really sit around obsessing over the gene pool? Sounds miserable.

 

[Box Ox]

Do straight people really sit around obsessing over the gene pool? Sounds miserable.

It's interesting to think about when questions come up. I can understand why gay and lesbian couples would want to have children through whatever means they can utilize. But it is a different thing.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Serious question: Do gay couples have a process for deciding which one's sperm/egg will be used with the surrogate? One of them will inevitably have no genetic connection to the child, right? That can't be easy.

Surrogacy is a disgraceful abomination whether someone is homosexual or not.

You shouldn't be able to rent a uterus.
It makes a complete mockery of women.

 

[vantexan]

That isn’t true, those people still exist you’re trying to boil down life into a purpose or point, that is your opinion and a very stupid one.

Yeah, yeah, everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Don't get agreement, attack attack attack.