Do not worry Tony I'll be gone soon enough.
Hoffa on self driving trucks
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Is it really that big of a deal?
Not the Hoffa name though
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Who are going to come back as this time?
I don't know what to tell you. Do you want to start arguments over stupid crap or do you want to spread your message?
Actually you should be thanking me for protecting you from being sued by Z for defamation of character since he's not a well know public figure. Hoffa is legally a public figure. Z is not.
Public figure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In United States law, public figure is a term applied in the context of defamation actions (libel and slander) as well as invasion of privacy. A public figure (such as a politician, celebrity, or business leader) cannot base a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with actual malice (knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth).[1] The burden of proof in defamation actions is higher in the case of a public figure.
The controlling precedent in the United States was set in 1964 by the United States Supreme Court in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. It is considered a key decision in supporting the First Amendment and freedom of the press.
A fairly high threshold of public activity is necessary to elevate people to public figure status. Typically, they must either be:
A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established...
A person can also become a "limited public figure" by engaging in actions which generate publicity within a narrow area of interest. For example, [jokes about]... Terry Rakolta [an activist who spearheaded a boycott of the show Married With Children] were fair comments... within the confines of her public conduct [and] protected by Ms. Rakolta's status as a "limited public figure".
Public figure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In United States law, public figure is a term applied in the context of defamation actions (libel and slander) as well as invasion of privacy. A public figure (such as a politician, celebrity, or business leader) cannot base a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with actual malice (knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth).[1] The burden of proof in defamation actions is higher in the case of a public figure.
The controlling precedent in the United States was set in 1964 by the United States Supreme Court in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. It is considered a key decision in supporting the First Amendment and freedom of the press.
A fairly high threshold of public activity is necessary to elevate people to public figure status. Typically, they must either be:
- a public figure, either a public official or any other person pervasively involved in public affairs, or
- a limited purpose public figure, meaning those who have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved." A "particularized determination" is required to decide whether a person is a limited purpose public figure, which can be variously interpreted:[2]
A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established...
A person can also become a "limited public figure" by engaging in actions which generate publicity within a narrow area of interest. For example, [jokes about]... Terry Rakolta [an activist who spearheaded a boycott of the show Married With Children] were fair comments... within the confines of her public conduct [and] protected by Ms. Rakolta's status as a "limited public figure".
Nope I could care less I just wonder why it's not even. Why one and not the other? Either it's a tos violation or it isn't.
You can direct him how you want. I don't care. He's done the same thing to me. You know what's funny is you get all touchy about lawyers being brought up but the. You do the same. I don't care what you do.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Cheryl, wouldn't a mailing sent to some 300K members and full page ads in a magazine sent to those same people upgrade Z to "public figure" status?
I asked a simple question. No answer. You can crap me all you want but I think that something stinks.
She could kick me off now if she wants. If it happens I won't be back. My end game is November 18th regardless.
In the Grand scheme of things not on my end. But it obviously is to others.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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What is the significance of 11/18?
The funny thing is I could. I wouldn't want it. It was proposed to me a while back and I turned it down.
I'm not crapping on you. I'm just saying... instead of fighting a no win situation .... go spread your message.
Think like a steward. Pick your battles.
No offense to ANYONE, but if you have so many issues with this site, go start your own. It's probably not that difficult, and you'd be the boss. If you're spending sooo much time arguing with the owner, maybe this site isn't for you. This isn't a dis, just an observation.
Hell, I'll join your site and check it out.
Hell, I'll join your site and check it out.
I'm no lawyer but what I have read is that to be legally a public figure an individual has to be known by the general public. 300k teamsters have heard of him, not the general public.
Election is over and I won't spend time here anymore anyway. I appreciate the host starting the site I truly do. I just don't understand it's direction anymore. The people that are important to me here all have a way of contacting me. If they need advice or help they can get to me. Other than that it's played it's way out of what I find important.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Fair enough.
The funny thing is that a couple years ago you agreed with me. Now you changed your money be. I won't divulge our private conversation but you left here for a long time because of an instigator.