I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

rickyb

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SPOILER ALERT:

Joker isn’t an ode to the far right – it’s a warning against austerity | Micah Uetricht

Arthur has more than his share of problems, but a few of them would have been solved, or at least adequately and humanely managed, in a society whose budgets were oriented more towards people like him than Wayne. But he does not live in that society, and neither do we. Instead of public services and dignity, he gets that most American of consolation prizes: a gun, and the sense of respect that, while ultimately hollow, has long eluded him.

Joker’s ending is bleak and one whose general thrust we knew going into the film: in addition to the three Wall Street types, an old mother, a coworker, a talkshow host and a billionaire couple have been murdered in cold blood; rioters in clown masks are running wild in the streets, cheering Joker on the hood of a cop car. In the final scene, Arthur is again speaking to a social worker, but now in handcuffs in an asylum. But it’s too late to reach him, because he’s no longer Arthur – he’s the Joker, and the Joker has no qualms about killing her, too.

Rosa Luxemburg once famously framed the choice for our future as that of socialism or barbarism. Joker is a portrait of a society that has chosen barbarism. No one wants to see violence erupt in such a situation, but we shouldn’t be surprised when it does.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
SPOILER ALERT:

Joker isn’t an ode to the far right – it’s a warning against austerity | Micah Uetricht

Arthur has more than his share of problems, but a few of them would have been solved, or at least adequately and humanely managed, in a society whose budgets were oriented more towards people like him than Wayne. But he does not live in that society, and neither do we. Instead of public services and dignity, he gets that most American of consolation prizes: a gun, and the sense of respect that, while ultimately hollow, has long eluded him.

Joker’s ending is bleak and one whose general thrust we knew going into the film: in addition to the three Wall Street types, an old mother, a coworker, a talkshow host and a billionaire couple have been murdered in cold blood; rioters in clown masks are running wild in the streets, cheering Joker on the hood of a cop car. In the final scene, Arthur is again speaking to a social worker, but now in handcuffs in an asylum. But it’s too late to reach him, because he’s no longer Arthur – he’s the Joker, and the Joker has no qualms about killing her, too.

Rosa Luxemburg once famously framed the choice for our future as that of socialism or barbarism. Joker is a portrait of a society that has chosen barbarism. No one wants to see violence erupt in such a situation, but we shouldn’t be surprised when it does.
Yes because socialist governments have peaceful societies... lol
 

Dr.Brownz

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SPOILER ALERT:

Joker isn’t an ode to the far right – it’s a warning against austerity | Micah Uetricht

Arthur has more than his share of problems, but a few of them would have been solved, or at least adequately and humanely managed, in a society whose budgets were oriented more towards people like him than Wayne. But he does not live in that society, and neither do we. Instead of public services and dignity, he gets that most American of consolation prizes: a gun, and the sense of respect that, while ultimately hollow, has long eluded him.

Joker’s ending is bleak and one whose general thrust we knew going into the film: in addition to the three Wall Street types, an old mother, a coworker, a talkshow host and a billionaire couple have been murdered in cold blood; rioters in clown masks are running wild in the streets, cheering Joker on the hood of a cop car. In the final scene, Arthur is again speaking to a social worker, but now in handcuffs in an asylum. But it’s too late to reach him, because he’s no longer Arthur – he’s the Joker, and the Joker has no qualms about killing her, too.

Rosa Luxemburg once famously framed the choice for our future as that of socialism or barbarism. Joker is a portrait of a society that has chosen barbarism. No one wants to see violence erupt in such a situation, but we shouldn’t be surprised when it does.

LOL and now you will go believe the same media that straight up lied about a movie for political purposes.
 

rickyb

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Rights and opportunity are the pillars of freedom for the rich and the downtrodden.
I have a feeling your definition of equal rights are different than most Real Americans.
poor dont have the same opportunity as the rich. a talented rich man and a talented poor man are not on the same playing field. being poor can crush the talents.

its a 2 tiered system if your rich or poor. rich get away with crimes, poor go to jail.
 
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Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
poor dont have the same opportunity as the rich. a talented rich man and a talented poor man are not on the same playing field. being poor can crush the talents.

its a 2 tiered system if your rich or poor. rich get away with crimes, poor go to jail.
Talented with drive and purpose regardless of rich or poor equals results.
Talented with no drive or purpose may allow the rich person to achieve mediocrity while the poor man stays poor.
Regardless, both are not achievers.

In regards to crime, the poor have the same opportunity as the rich, but the rich by-in-large do not commit petty crimes or sell drugs.
Achievers, aka rich, can afford better lawyers but those lawyers will take any client, rich or poor, that will pay their fees.
 
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rickyb

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Talented with drive and purpose regardless of rich or poor equals results.
Talented with no drive or purpose may allow the rich person to achieve mediocrity while the poor man stays poor.
Regardless, both are not achievers.

In regards to crime, the poor have the same opportunity as the rich, but the rich by-in-large do not commit petty crimes or sell drugs.
Achievers, aka rich, can afford better lawyers but those lawyers will take any client, rich or poor, that will pay their fees.
achiever does not mean rich. if you are born rich are you an achiever? they are 2 separate words.

ok so theres this, a poor person who goes to law school takes on a bunch of debt and then is forced to go into the corporate sector to pay off that debt instead other areas of law like non profit or whatever.

a poor person may have to work more instead of pursuing what they are actually interested in and talented in because they are poor.
 

vantexan

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achiever does not mean rich. if you are born rich are you an achiever? they are 2 separate words.

ok so theres this, a poor person who goes to law school takes on a bunch of debt and then is forced to go into the corporate sector to pay off that debt instead other areas of law like non profit or whatever.

a poor person may have to work more instead of pursuing what they are actually interested in and talented in because they are poor.
So it's someone's fault they are born rich? Look at Fred S. Born into a wealthy family. Did he just cruise through life? No, he took risks, created a company that has provided employment for over a million people and provided a needed service for countless millions. And he's much wealthier than he would have been otherwise. Yet he's excoriated by many of his own employees because they think he owes them a great living. He's not perfect, can even call him greedy. But his drive has allowed many to put food on the table. Your way of thinking won't do that in an era where we need big companies to employ a lot of people because we have a large population. There are many blue collar jobs that go begging because people don't want to get their hands dirty. So the position they find themselves in is at best they only want to do their little job and go home. That's fine if that's all they want, but the spoils go to those who take risks, work long hours, get an idea up and running, and ultimately provide those little jobs that people are content to only do. Don't knock those who make it possible for us to make a living unless they are abusive. Otherwise it's their drive, their vision that makes it possible for the rest of us to survive.
 

rickyb

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So it's someone's fault they are born rich? Look at Fred S. Born into a wealthy family. Did he just cruise through life? No, he took risks, created a company that has provided employment for over a million people and provided a needed service for countless millions. And he's much wealthier than he would have been otherwise. Yet he's excoriated by many of his own employees because they think he owes them a great living. He's not perfect, can even call him greedy. But his drive has allowed many to put food on the table. Your way of thinking won't do that in an era where we need big companies to employ a lot of people because we have a large population. There are many blue collar jobs that go begging because people don't want to get their hands dirty. So the position they find themselves in is at best they only want to do their little job and go home. That's fine if that's all they want, but the spoils go to those who take risks, work long hours, get an idea up and running, and ultimately provide those little jobs that people are content to only do. Don't knock those who make it possible for us to make a living unless they are abusive. Otherwise it's their drive, their vision that makes it possible for the rest of us to survive.
philosopher kant says people like to lie to themselves...
 
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