I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

rickyb

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Using your "logic", whining about your elected officials yet not bothering to vote would not make you a hypocrite. Isn't that right, KMart?
my logic might be off, but to not like the system, or to not even think about the system, and say nothing makes you worse then the people who criticize it and still benefit from it.

btw i dont think blacks benefit all that much from capitalism in america. and indeed capitalism and economics is probably partly what racism is fundamentally about.
 

rickyb

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Using your "logic", whining about your elected officials yet not bothering to vote would not make you a hypocrite. Isn't that right, KMart?
i was watching a julian assange interview and he doesnt recommend voting because of corporate power. but he still complains about the system. most other guys i listen to say you should vote, but dont put an emphasis on it, they emphasize protests and organizing.

back to the "logic" issue i think rage against the machine for example would have criticized the system regardless of whether they profited off it as much as they have or not. its means they are consistent.
 

rickyb

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The real earnings of the median male have declined by 19 percent since 1970, and the median male with only a high school diploma saw his real earnings fall by 41 percent from 1970 to 2010
 

JL 0513

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It's alarming the widespread misunderstanding in this country of what "capitalism" even is. It's a word that was coined by Karl Marx and turned largely into a bad word synonymous with exploitation and evil big corporations, banks, and so forth. If you want to believe that, knock yourself out.

The fact of the matter is, is that capitalism (generally free markets) is the difference between the advanced society we enjoy and living in caves. Can't you see throughout first world countries today we are far richer than any time in human history. Few people go hungry, we all have luxuries that people could only have dreamed about. Nice homes, every appliance you need, cars, electronics for every need. Perfect utopia? No, that cannot exist. But open your eyes, we have it damn good.

Capitalism is simply a system driven by supply, demand, incentives, trade, innovations, etc. One person creates something or supplies a service, another person pays an agreed upon price. Someone wants to charge too much, competition eats them up. What better system is that?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
The fact of the matter is, is that capitalism (generally free markets) is the difference between the advanced society we enjoy and living in caves. Can't you see throughout first world countries today we are far richer than any time in human history. Few people go hungry, we all have luxuries that people could only have dreamed about. Nice homes, every appliance you need, cars, electronics for every need. Perfect utopia? No, that cannot exist. But open your eyes, we have it damn good.

Capitalism is simply a system driven by supply, demand, incentives, trade, innovations, etc. One person creates something or supplies a service, another person pays an agreed upon price. Someone wants to charge too much, competition eats them up. What better system is that?
Can you give me an example of where this "free market" you speak of currently exists?
 

JL 0513

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Can you give me an example of where this "free market" you speak of currently exists?

I anticipated this by putting in "generally". There are no totally free markets. But I hope we can understand that in its basic form we have free markets for lack of a better term. It's just now entrenched with so much regulation and red tape that it handicaps our progress.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
I anticipated this by putting in "generally". There are no totally free markets. But I hope we can understand that in its basic form we have free markets for lack of a better term. It's just now entrenched with so much regulation and red tape that it handicaps our progress.
Yes, you do seem to have a lack of a better term.
Free market certainly doesn't suffice. In fact I'd go so far as to say using that phrase is extremely misleading.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
It's alarming the widespread misunderstanding in this country of what "capitalism" even is. It's a word that was coined by Karl Marx and turned largely into a bad word synonymous with exploitation and evil big corporations, banks, and so forth. If you want to believe that, knock yourself out.

The fact of the matter is, is that capitalism (generally free markets) is the difference between the advanced society we enjoy and living in caves. Can't you see throughout first world countries today we are far richer than any time in human history. Few people go hungry, we all have luxuries that people could only have dreamed about. Nice homes, every appliance you need, cars, electronics for every need. Perfect utopia? No, that cannot exist. But open your eyes, we have it damn good.

Capitalism is simply a system driven by supply, demand, incentives, trade, innovations, etc. One person creates something or supplies a service, another person pays an agreed upon price. Someone wants to charge too much, competition eats them up. What better system is that?

1. they had markets in slavery. markets are not unique to capitalism. other economic systems had supply, demand, incentives, trace, innovation, etc.

a free market would also mean free movement of labor across borders. i dont think the big capitalists want that, and many so called free markets lovers dont want it either via immigration. im guessing the time they started this free market propaganda was at the very time when workers in america lost their bargaining power. so it made perfect sense for the capitalists to push markets when they were the primary beneficiaries. the guys i listen to do not fall to their knees to the market as if it were a god the way some of the right wingers do; they are quite critical and for good reason.

btw none of the big capitalists actually believe in markets or any of the other things they repeat to you all the time. they believe in whatever makes them profits. so bail outs, price fixing, monopolies, breaking the law, etc.

standards of living improved under slavery. thats not justification for it.

get back to me when you have the stats on hunger in america. clue: its a little more than a "few".

the technology is mehh. we still have gasoline cars, computers are a huge distraction for people. and alot of tech research is done by the government and handed over for free to private corporations.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
1. they had markets in slavery. markets are not unique to capitalism. other economic systems had supply, demand, incentives, trace, innovation, etc.

a free market would also mean free movement of labor across borders. i dont think the big capitalists want that, and many so called free markets lovers dont want it either via immigration. im guessing the time they started this free market propaganda was at the very time when workers in america lost their bargaining power. so it made perfect sense for the capitalists to push markets when they were the primary beneficiaries. the guys i listen to do not fall to their knees to the market as if it were a god the way some of the right wingers do; they are quite critical and for good reason.

btw none of the big capitalists actually believe in markets or any of the other things they repeat to you all the time. they believe in whatever makes them profits. so bail outs, price fixing, monopolies, breaking the law, etc.

standards of living improved under slavery. thats not justification for it.

get back to me when you have the stats on hunger in america. clue: its a little more than a "few".

the technology is mehh. we still have gasoline cars, computers are a huge distraction for people. and alot of tech research is done by the government and handed over for free to private corporations.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You should pack up and move to N. Korea where it would better serve your beliefs.
 

rickyb

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richard wolff is one of the leading alternative economists in the country. he talks about how socialism isnt really that taboo in america now, bernie sanders, schools not paying taxes, taxes on the wealthy, the federal reserve, the subprime mortgage fraud in america, general strikes, amongst other things.

rdwolff.com

he has a weekly radio program too which you can download and listen to at work, unless your afraid of standing up to the UPS corporate capitalists who have banned radios lol....keep worshipping capitalism.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Can you give me an example of where this "free market" you speak of currently exists?

Sure. It's frequently found on Right Wing media or in utopian Libertarian tomes about how the "free market" is the self-correcting "magic" that makes capitalism work. These are the same folks who would have happily watched GM fail and take the rest of the economy with it.

It only exists in the ether.
 
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