I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

It will be fine

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Your post says one man has a space program. A space program is a group effort with multiple businesses cooperating and all classes of employees earning money from this “one man” space program.
I have a space program too, it just hasn’t gotten off the ground yet.





See what I did there.
 

rickyb

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sick.


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So we scared Fox News again...

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BrownArmy

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Send the Dimwits to Venus.

Venus won’t work, too hot, too toxic.

Orbital platform around Venus, maybe.

Just like Neptune, Jupiter, and Saturn...

We can’t land or live on those planets.

Use Luna as a staging ground, mine its hydrogen for fuel, establish colonies on Luna and Mars.

Land on asteroids like Ceres, hollow them out, create artificial spin with rocket drones, mine their materials in the building process, on to the next one.

Manifest destiny.
 

BrownArmy

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It’s the best we could possibly do...

We’re in the sticks, in a random portion of the Milky Way galaxy.

The nearest star is light years away, unless or until some new Einstein breaks physics, we’re stuck here.

Least we can do is populate our own solar system.

Imagine the view from a hotel suite on an orbital platform in a synchronous stationary orbit directly above Jupiters red eye hurricane...
 

rickyb

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michael hudson says in america economic control is centralized on wall street.

in china its centralized in the govt. he says at least in china they have rising wages.
 

rickyb

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i was talking in the car yesterday with my dad and he was trying to trick me into buying property in canada. i was telling him all the reasons where north america falls short compared to europe and australia. his economic understanding is so bad that he thinks the other western countries have the same standard of living and the only thing different is taxes lol.

dad was talking about management power vs union power and says he likes to see a balance. ive told him ive never worked a job where unions have too much power and management always has too much power. im not sure the last time my dad ever worked for someone, decades ago. he was telling me about how residential construction used to be unionized.
 

rickyb

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trump like all presidents is so corrupt all he can do to lie about how great the economy is, is by talking about the stock market, which if of course is another lie because most people own a small share of the stock market.

look at hte unionization rate.

look at the inequality.

its all dog :censored2:.
 

BadIdeaGuy

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trump like all presidents is so corrupt all he can do to lie about how great the economy is, is by talking about the stock market, which if of course is another lie because most people own a small share of the stock market.

look at hte unionization rate.

look at the inequality.

its all dog :censored2:.

Complaint: I don't get benefit from the amazing stock market.
Response: Buy something in the stock market.

Try Robinhood, Ricky. Free trades, and no fees. You'd get so busy making money you'd forget to donate it all to the government like a good little commie.
 

rickyb

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Complaint: I don't get benefit from the amazing stock market.
Response: Buy something in the stock market.

Try Robinhood, Ricky. Free trades, and no fees. You'd get so busy making money you'd forget to donate it all to the government like a good little commie.
Thats not my complaint. Who is it mostly benefiting? The few ppl w the majority of shares
 

vantexan

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Thats not my complaint. Who is it mostly benefiting? The few ppl w the majority of shares
The few people with the majority of shares risked their money investing in the company. That allowed the company to go forward hiring people, allowing them to make a living. The investors took the risk, reaped the rewards. Employees are there to help their company make money so that the shareholders reap those rewards. The employee should be expected to be treated fairly in exchange, and if he feels he isn't he's free to work elsewhere. Somehow you got the idea that employees deserve to reap all the rewards the investors do without taking the risks. That they are owed a great living. And somehow can't seem to grasp that employees are paid according to their ability to help a company make money. If you have no skills, do work anyone can do, you get paid less. For a better future develop marketable skills. If you aren't willing to do that you take what you can get. But wailing all day long about how unfair it all is when it's a proven system that works is just being lazy. Do some traveling yourself overseas. Go to Eastern Europe and see how they're recovering from communism. Where there is prosperity it's a direct result of their implementing capitalism. And they have a long way to go. Yes there are exploitive companies in the U.S. and being lied to and manipulated is never fun. But overall if you visit a lot of places overseas you'll realize that even the poor have it pretty good in the U.S. unless they do something stupid like criminal acts or doing drugs.
 

rickyb

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The few people with the majority of shares risked their money investing in the company. That allowed the company to go forward hiring people, allowing them to make a living. The investors took the risk, reaped the rewards. Employees are there to help their company make money so that the shareholders reap those rewards. The employee should be expected to be treated fairly in exchange, and if he feels he isn't he's free to work elsewhere. Somehow you got the idea that employees deserve to reap all the rewards the investors do without taking the risks. That they are owed a great living. And somehow can't seem to grasp that employees are paid according to their ability to help a company make money. If you have no skills, do work anyone can do, you get paid less. For a better future develop marketable skills. If you aren't willing to do that you take what you can get. But wailing all day long about how unfair it all is when it's a proven system that works is just being lazy. Do some traveling yourself overseas. Go to Eastern Europe and see how they're recovering from communism. Where there is prosperity it's a direct result of their implementing capitalism. And they have a long way to go. Yes there are exploitive companies in the U.S. and being lied to and manipulated is never fun. But overall if you visit a lot of places overseas you'll realize that even the poor have it pretty good in the U.S. unless they do something stupid like criminal acts or doing drugs.
a few people own this system and the country, not to mention control it.

workers take risks as well. i want a coop system where employees share the risk and rewards.

asking a company to treat you fairly is like asking a slave holder to stop cracking the whip. they banished slavery for a reason because it encourages certain behaviors we eventually realized were immoral. ditto for capitalism.

capitalism doesnt actually work, its completely incompatible with the environment. im not sure you can reform capitalism.

the poor do not have it good in america; no healthcare for one, tuition is insane.

prosperity is probably a direct result of people struggling for it, because otherwise the prosperity goes directly to the people who already own everything, like it currently has. america is worse off these days.

the market doesnt work in terms of pay either. drug dealers, banksters, CEOs make a killing. scientists doing research to save lives make peanuts, ditto for teachers.
 

vantexan

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a few people own this system and the country, not to mention control it.

workers take risks as well. i want a coop system where employees share the risk and rewards.

asking a company to treat you fairly is like asking a slave holder to stop cracking the whip. they banished slavery for a reason because it encourages certain behaviors we eventually realized were immoral. ditto for capitalism.

capitalism doesnt actually work, its completely incompatible with the environment. im not sure you can reform capitalism.

the poor do not have it good in america; no healthcare for one, tuition is insane.

prosperity is probably a direct result of people struggling for it, because otherwise the prosperity goes directly to the people who already own everything, like it currently has. america is worse off these days.

the market doesnt work in terms of pay either. drug dealers, banksters, CEOs make a killing. scientists doing research to save lives make peanuts, ditto for teachers.
Nope and nope on so many levels.
 

rickyb

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Nope and nope on so many levels.
see perhaps slavery lasted because people thought there was justification for people holding slaves. and then one day there was no justification for it. youre saying theres justification for people profiting off of employees, and dictating to employees what to do. im saying maybe one day there wont be justification for that.
 
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