I know the magic number!

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by wornoutupser, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. wornoutupser

    wornoutupser Well-Known Member

    My center has been hit with a large number of warning letters for back first exceptions.

    Most of us have shown that we did indeed proceed in a forward motion but UPS claims that we did not.
    The magic number of feet to proceed in a forward direction before a warning letter is issued is now 500 feet per the Division Manager of our area.

    This is bullcrap!
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  2. Rack em

    Rack em Well-Known Member

    Some stops are closer together than 500ft. What happens when 2 different businesses have dock doors only 200ft apart?
  3. jaker

    jaker trolling

    Ok and your point is what , are you following Orion because it wants you to make a u turn the moment you take off to your next stop

    And let them do whatever they want because if they try to fired or suspend you just pull up telematics and it will show you moving forward first
  4. wornoutupser

    wornoutupser Well-Known Member

    This is for backing and back first exceptions.
  5. jaker

    jaker trolling

    I know what you are talking about , a u turn in our trucks will give you back first first if you are truly right about 500'

    And telematics can show everything you do and will prove you did your job right if they try to discipline you
  6. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    500ft is what my center manager told our drivers but I don't believe it. Have backed far short of that and not shown up on any reports.

    It is funny when management pushes backing into driveways over turning around in a nearby cul-de-sac to keep the miles down while also going after back firsts. "Sorry boss, that driveway before the cul-de-sac is only about 200 feet up the road!" Can't take a chance!

    CHALLY9TX Active Member

    We were told 60 feet
  8. If that's their magic number then my magic number is to my BA.
  9. gbpackman29

    gbpackman29 Member

    Been hammering the back firsts here as well. Only difference is we have been told it's 300 ft. Numerous times over the last few wks. Just goes to show you they are making :censored2: up as usual.
  10. wornoutupser

    wornoutupser Well-Known Member

  11. FrigidFTSup

    FrigidFTSup Resident Suit

    I can't figure out how I can pull up telematics and see the exact point where a guy scanned the package and the exact point where he stop completed it, but we can't build the computers smart enough to figure out crap like this.
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  12. Rack em

    Rack em Well-Known Member

    I was also told that unless you back more than I think 5ft, that it wont show up as a back at all?
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  13. 9.5 everyday

    9.5 everyday Active Member

    I thought it was 100'. But any way, management can't discipline based off telematics.
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  14. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    My boss has PCMd 300 feet and 500 feet for back 1st exceptions. He said that they also know where the dock stops are that will cause exceptions because they are too close.
  15. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Many people are confused about what a back first exception actually is. It's called a back "first" to signify that a driver backed before completing the next stop. Not to signify that we got in the truck and went straight to reverse. The magic number, or threshold, needed to avoid it is the real problem. It's too long and corporate seems to want to keep it a secret. One of my sups told me that the big whigs in our district are keeping it from the CMs and OSRs.

    I don't worry about avoiding back firsts but i heard one trick is to leave a stop and back like you normally would and then stop just shy of the next delivery point, shut the truck off, start it again, move forward a bit, then stop and make the delivery. Starting the truck again and turning it off apparently resets the timing and won't count the last back. Supposedly because no stop was completed after backing first.
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  16. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    I haven't seen a telematics report in probably 2+ years.
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  17. DOK

    DOK Active Member

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  18. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

  19. AKCoverMan

    AKCoverMan Active Member

    Most if not all of the rules/methods/keys/etc in a package car drivers job while often good intentioned are far too black and white. Working in the real world requires dealing with shades of grey.

    Sometimes the safest, most practical way to make a delivery will register as a back first exception. I'd rather explain why my back avoided a risk of crash or injury than explain why I had a crash or injury while trying to avoid being on a report.
  20. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    They can't give warning letters based off of telematics reports. Well they can, but if your union is worth their salt, it won't stick. They would have to see you in action.
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