Iran

Babagounj

Strength through joy
http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/iran-defector-regime-needs-nukes-to-avoid-collapse/

An Iranian defector and former top Shariah lawyer now living in Texas says the Iranian regime is attempting to back the Obama administration into a diplomatic corner: Either accept a nuclear deal that is so one-sided that it will allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon within the next couple of years, or walk away from the bargaining table with no deal.
Akbari said the Iranian regime wants to prove to its people that it at least tried to negotiate a deal that would allow for the relaxation of economic sanctions, which combined with lower oil prices have had a crippling effect. If the sanctions continue, Akbari said he sees the regime collapsing within two to three years.

“They don’t want an uprising. They want to have their people behind their backs. So their message is, ‘Yes, we care about your economy, but that’s not in our hands,’” Akbari told WND in near-perfect English. “They will say, ‘You should not trust the U.S. or the West, they are playing with us, so if you are forcing us to stop enriching uranium you are wrong because you are not going to get anything in return from the West.’”
“It’s a psychological chess game, that’s why we should not expect any deal. No such thing, because they are not going to stop dreaming about the bomb,” Akbari said. “That is the only way the regime can survive. They want to have the bomb because they know their policies are harsh enough and crazy enough that everyone is against them. So they have to pursue a strong military and the nuclear bomb.”

Possessing a nuclear arsenal will give Iran leverage among its own people as well as enemies beyond its borders, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Akbari said the majority of Iranians support the regime’s nuclear program but only if they can have a good economy free of sanctions.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/iran-defector-regime-needs-nukes-to-avoid-collapse/

An Iranian defector and former top Shariah lawyer now living in Texas says the Iranian regime is attempting to back the Obama administration into a diplomatic corner: Either accept a nuclear deal that is so one-sided that it will allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon within the next couple of years, or walk away from the bargaining table with no deal.
Akbari said the Iranian regime wants to prove to its people that it at least tried to negotiate a deal that would allow for the relaxation of economic sanctions, which combined with lower oil prices have had a crippling effect. If the sanctions continue, Akbari said he sees the regime collapsing within two to three years.

“They don’t want an uprising. They want to have their people behind their backs. So their message is, ‘Yes, we care about your economy, but that’s not in our hands,’” Akbari told WND in near-perfect English. “They will say, ‘You should not trust the U.S. or the West, they are playing with us, so if you are forcing us to stop enriching uranium you are wrong because you are not going to get anything in return from the West.’”
“It’s a psychological chess game, that’s why we should not expect any deal. No such thing, because they are not going to stop dreaming about the bomb,” Akbari said. “That is the only way the regime can survive. They want to have the bomb because they know their policies are harsh enough and crazy enough that everyone is against them. So they have to pursue a strong military and the nuclear bomb.”

Possessing a nuclear arsenal will give Iran leverage among its own people as well as enemies beyond its borders, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Akbari said the majority of Iranians support the regime’s nuclear program but only if they can have a good economy free of sanctions.
The Bush Administration had their defector/analyst having them believing a "greeted as liberators" narrative.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
Israel nuking them ...ha ha ha .
That story has been floating around for years .
But the one time that they planned on doing it , obama refused them safe passage thru Iraq airspace . He even said he have their planes shot down .
Israel doesnt need Iraqi airspace to nuke Iran. They will overfly Saudi Arabia. Israel alao has nuclear-tipped Jericho ICBM's and submarine-launched Popeye cruise missiles. And I can gurantee you that Obama never threatened to have Israeli planes shot down over Iraq. We probably wouldnt be able to even if we wanted to.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/iran-defector-regime-needs-nukes-to-avoid-collapse/

An Iranian defector and former top Shariah lawyer now living in Texas says the Iranian regime is attempting to back the Obama administration into a diplomatic corner: Either accept a nuclear deal that is so one-sided that it will allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon within the next couple of years, or walk away from the bargaining table with no deal.
Akbari said the Iranian regime wants to prove to its people that it at least tried to negotiate a deal that would allow for the relaxation of economic sanctions, which combined with lower oil prices have had a crippling effect. If the sanctions continue, Akbari said he sees the regime collapsing within two to three years.

“They don’t want an uprising. They want to have their people behind their backs. So their message is, ‘Yes, we care about your economy, but that’s not in our hands,’” Akbari told WND in near-perfect English. “They will say, ‘You should not trust the U.S. or the West, they are playing with us, so if you are forcing us to stop enriching uranium you are wrong because you are not going to get anything in return from the West.’”
“It’s a psychological chess game, that’s why we should not expect any deal. No such thing, because they are not going to stop dreaming about the bomb,” Akbari said. “That is the only way the regime can survive. They want to have the bomb because they know their policies are harsh enough and crazy enough that everyone is against them. So they have to pursue a strong military and the nuclear bomb.”

Possessing a nuclear arsenal will give Iran leverage among its own people as well as enemies beyond its borders, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Akbari said the majority of Iranians support the regime’s nuclear program but only if they can have a good economy free of sanctions.
So we should base a foregn policy decision regarding nuclear non-proliferation on the opinion of an Iranian defector who lives in Texas?

No thanks, I'll pass.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
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soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
You can't trust Iran to stick with the deal .
Lets see....

We invaded and occupied Iran in WW2 even though they were neutral...

We conspired to have our CIA and the UK's MI6 overthrow their democratically elected Prime Minister in 1955 in order to replace him with the Shah....

We supported the Shah for over 20 years while he ruthlessly crushed dissent and used his American-trained SAVAK secret police to torture and murder his own people...

We encouraged Saddam Hussein to invade them in 1980 and provided Iraq with the chemical weapons it used to kill tens of thousands of Iranian civilians during the Iran-Iraq war...

We shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988 and killed 290 of their civilians....

But hey, Fox News says we cant trust them, so lets just quit negoiating and bomb them instead!
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Lets see....

We invaded and occupied them in WW2 even though they were neutral...

We conspired to have our CIA and the UK's MI6 overthrow their democratically elected Prime Minister in 1955 in order to replace him with the Shah....

We supported the Shah for over 20 years while he ruthlessly crushed dissent and used his American-trained SAVAK secret police to torture and murder his own people...

We encouraged Saddam Hussein to invade them in 1980 and provided Iraq with the chemical weapons it used to kill tens of thousands of Iranian civilians during the Iran-Iraq war...

We shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988 and killed 290 of their civilians....

But hey, Fox News says we cant trust them, so lets just quit negoiating and bomb them instead!
Maybe we can't trust them ANYMORE !
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Lets see....

We invaded and occupied them in WW2 even though they were neutral...

We conspired to have our CIA and the UK's MI6 overthrow their democratically elected Prime Minister in 1955 in order to replace him with the Shah....

We supported the Shah for over 20 years while he ruthlessly crushed dissent and used his American-trained SAVAK secret police to torture and murder his own people...

We encouraged Saddam Hussein to invade them in 1980 and provided Iraq with the chemical weapons it used to kill tens of thousands of Iranian civilians during the Iran-Iraq war...

We shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988 and killed 290 of their civilians....

But hey, Fox News says we cant trust them, so lets just quit negoiating and bomb them instead!
We did not invade and occupy Iran during WW2.

Go back an check your history book.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
"We" invaded and occupied Iran in WW2?
Yes. During WW2, Iran was invaded and subsequently partitioned between the UK and the USSR with direct US assistance, participation and support. We also forced Reza Shah to abdicate his throne so that we could replace him with Mohammed Reza Shah, his son, who remained in power with our support until he was overthrown in 1979.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Yes. During WW2, Iran was invaded and subsequently partitioned between the UK and the USSR with direct US assistance, participation and support. We also forced Reza Shah to abdicate his throne so that we could replace him with Mohammed Reza Shah, his son, who remained in power with our support until he was overthrown in 1979.

USSR definitely invaded. US? Not so much.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
USSR definitely invaded. US? Not so much.
The initial military operations were done by the UK and the USSR, with direct material and logistical support from the USA. We based approximately 30,000 US troops there by 1943 in order to defend the oil and use the country as a conduit for Lend Lease supplies to the USSR.
 
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Babagounj

Strength through joy
What's the unemployment rate in Iran ?
How many of its 20-30 yrs olds are hooked on drugs ?
Saudi Arabia is depressing the price on oil to bankrupt Iran's economy , when will that be completed ?
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
We did not invade and occupy Iran during WW2.

Go back an check your history book.
We had 30,000 troops stationed there, and the invasion was done with our direct support. Shah Reza even appealed to Roosevelt for aid and was turned down and subsequently overthrown by the UK and USSR with our direct support.

Go back and check your history book.
 

ajblakejr

Age quod agis
Look up this name.
Kevin Hermening


This Iran stuff is personal.

And yes, they did release one hostage early because he was sick and no one knew with what illness.
Richard I. Queen, an American diplomat among those taken hostage by Iranian militants in 1979, who was released early when he developed multiple sclerosis, died on Aug. 14, 2002 at his home in Falls Church, Va. He was 51.
I guess that fact alone means we can believe Iran.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement
Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/


Obama could have negotiated a perfect agreement in every way, and all of you people would still be criticizing it. Is Iran to be trusted? No, and if they break the agreement, the sanctions are re-applied and the US and Israel will go to town on them.

Whether you like Iran or not, they are an independent country, and not subject to US or Israeli law(s). What don't you understand about that fact?
 
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