Discussion in 'FedEx Discussions' started by XFILED, Aug 16, 2012.


    XFILED Member

    One of the top two reasons I got suckered into working for Fedex was because of Jump Seat and then Fedex found a excuse to take it away for good....
    My questions are do they still allow Jump Seat to the Shills and Upper Management???
    And if so do they just need a TSA clearance to fly??
  2. Mr Fedex

    Mr Fedex Banned

    9/11 was a good excuse.
  3. Ricochet1a

    Ricochet1a New Member

    Jump seating (for off duty employees) didn't disappear right after 9/11. It went away around late 2005 - early 2006. The reason it went away is because the pilots didn't want a bunch of wage employees bothering them.

    From what I understand (would need to get confirmation on this), Express employees on company business (traveling for the purpose of Express business) can still jumpseat. This may have changed in the last year or so without my knowledge, so someone needs to confirm this. Jumpseating was eliminated due to the pilots and not some TSA regulation. Again, if there was a change in TSA regulations in the past year or so, this would need to be confirmed.

    There is a requirement for individuals flying on a commercial carrier (jumpseating) - to have some form of security screening (metal detector, etc), and to have any personal luggage they have with them in the passenger area searched. Ramp agents (other than the hubs) perform this search. I searched plently of jumpseaters when I was in AGFS.

    There is no requirement for those flying in non-commercial aircraft (business jets, etc.) to have any search done on them whatsoever. They merely hand the flight crew their bags - they are loaded into the baggage hold (without ANY screening whatsoever), then the passengers get on the aircraft and away they go. Just like getting into your personal vehicle or a charter bus and traveling somewhere.

    XFILED Member

    I didn't know all this......thanks for the input.....Sounds like our Pilots are a bunch of A-Holes or their just looking out for themselves...
  5. Cactus

    Cactus Just telling it like it is

    I've heard that most FedEx pilots won't even talk to couriers anyway so this bit of information doesn't surprise me a whole lot.
  6. SmithBarney

    SmithBarney Well-Known Member

    possibly true(the A-hole part)...
    except the only time a flight crew has been attacked, it was from a fellow FedEx Pilot(or crew member)
  7. DontThrowPackages

    DontThrowPackages Well-Known Member

    Unless the courier happens to be a cute female. I've hear a story or two
  8. Jumpseater

    Jumpseater New Member

    Now, this one question/subject is why I joined this forum. Rico, every single point you made is absolutely 100% correct. Jumpseat DID disappear for awhile right after 9/11, but then returned in domestic only form which does me almost zero good because it is not expensive to travel domestically as far as I am concerned. Up until the pilots and Memphis conspired against us to exclude us from OUR planes(the pilots think the planes are theirs, so why not)I traveled to the Phils every 3 months. Fed Ex could have followed me around 24/7 while I was on the clock and do whatever they wanted to me as long as I had Jumpseat I would not care. It saved me 3,000 a year at that time in travel costs and if we still had it today(because I make more)that figure would be up around 6,000, so yes.....there was NOTHING more important to me than Jumpseat.

    The pilots and there is a distinction between domestic(Ken and Barbie)pilots and those overseas. The guys that I flew with loved us because we broke up the conversation. You have to realize that the 7.5-8.5 leg between ANC and KIX was very monotonous for them. All they did was read the paper and talk about the latest jewelry they had bought in HKG. They coined the phrase "Ken and Barbie" in relation to the domestic pilots because they(the asia guys)thought they were pusillanimous. There is zero chance of one being a pusillanimous when you land at NRT on a regular basis with that wind shear going on there. Flight 80 guys Mar'09......may they RIP.
  9. Jumpseater

    Jumpseater New Member

    Yep, that guy Calloway in '94. They made a movie about that incident.
  10. DontThrowPackages

    DontThrowPackages Well-Known Member

    They just don't want to have to keep their mouths shut or risk having you overhear them bragging to each other about the women they just conquered in the last layover city.
  11. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    Or risk getting attacked by some maniac that has no need being on the plane.
  12. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    to the best of my knowledge, employees can still jumpseat for business purposes. You are also correct that it was the pilots who wanted personal jumpseat ended. They never liked us lowlife hourlies intruding on "their" world, which often included porn mags, inappropriate conversations, and aviation mis-cues. I once jumpseated on a 727 where the Captain and FO were arguing where the airport was (it was directly underneath us). It got pretty heated, and both of them asked me not to report their argument. Luckily, they figured out where they were and were able to land the plane...still arguing. By eliminating jumpseat, FedEx was also able to jettison the reservation system and any employees involved with it.
  13. SmithBarney

    SmithBarney Well-Known Member

    I mentioned to a very sr manager "it'd sure be nice to have jumpseat" they replied with "we do, just for business" and I said "it'd sure be nice to have jumpseat" Because honestly I can't imagine when a CRR would have business that would require jumpseat. Although they could save lots of money if they flew all newhires to MEMH for training.... LOL (shh it's a good idea that actually saves money, they'd never go for it.)
  14. Route 66

    Route 66 Bent Member

    Over the years I came to know a few very cool and "down-to-earth" crewmembers. Unfortunately they were definitely the exception to the rule. Jumpseat was certainly a great bennie which I took full advantage of. No better seat in the house than sitting next to the enormous DC-10 window directly behind and slightly above the Capt. ..... Good times gone forever, along with everything else.
  15. caravan42

    caravan42 Member

    Fedex pilots won't ever talk to other non fedex pilots.
  16. Ricochet1a

    Ricochet1a New Member

    After jump seating for personal travel was eliminated, the training for jump seating passengers (in a ramp environment) was limited to management of the ramp and surrounding stations (so they could travel on company business) and aircraft mechanics so they could travel on Express aircraft. The aircraft mechanics (especially those assigned to the hubs), would travel out to a ramp if an aircraft had a mechanical failure which couldn't be corrected by the mechanics at the ramp in question. If a team of mechanics were needed, Express would fly them out on one of the business jets; but most often, only one or two mechanics with specialized skills (which the ramp mechanics may not have possessed) were needed to get a broken aircraft airworthy again.

    The training was necessary since there weren't 'flight attendants'. In cargo aircraft without flight attendants, any non-aircrew passengers MUST be trained in aircraft evacuation procedures and other safety protocols which are necessary due to the absence of a flight attendant (their primary job in passenger aircraft is passenger safety in the event of an emergency, NOT handing out drinks and food).

    When jumpseating was shut down, the training of other Express employees for jump seat travel was terminated. Express went to moving these people around (for training), on scheduled passenger commercial aircraft.

    I NEVER heard of a new hire flying on jump seat - even when it was still in effect. I think there was a 90 day prohibition on new hires flying jump seat (they had to have 90 days under their belt before they were eligible for ANY form of jump seat travel). After that 90 day period of time, they still had to be scheduled for training, which could take some time. This pretty much eliminated jump seating for new hires (they'd have to complete their necessary job training WELL before they became eligible for jump seat travel).

    Other than an occasional Courier, the only 'regular' jump seat travelers (excluding management, mechanics and pilots jump seating), were individuals traveling for training for either Ramp Agent or Dangerous Goods class (they'd been with Express long enough to get the training while a handler or material hander). Getting station employees to the ramp to attend one of the infrequent training classes on jump seating was damn difficult for them - they were working more often than not...

    The class had to be held while an aircraft was on the ground (obviously), and not involved in any operations or maintenance. By default, this meant Monday AMs were the only time an aircraft was sitting at the ramp (having arrived the previous Sunday PM and been unloaded), and was available for training use. Then there was the problem of training in the 'specific' types of aircraft. The smaller ramps only had 727s or A300/310s to train on. This meant getting training on the MD series was damn difficult for them.

    Not true!!! FedEx pilots are the primary method of recruiting future FedEx pilots.

    They don't go out of their way to do 'recruiting', but they do know plenty of other pilots from their time 'before FedEx'. I believe the minimum flight hour requirements for a new Express pilot is 4,000 hours of multi-engine turbine time (one doesn't get this in 'flight training'). This means that ALL Express pilots are either prior military or have flown for a number of years with another airline. They meet plenty of people while doing this.

    The way the 'recruitment system' is set up for the pilots, is that all potential new hires (excepting those in 'protected' categories - women, minorities, etc.) MUST have their resume 'walked in' by an existing Express pilot to be considered. This serves as a 'vetting' of the candidate, and also helps keep the pilot pool made up of individuals who are like minded and from similar backgrounds. One could call it the 'good ol' boy club' if one wanted to. Without someone on the inside walking a resume in, a prospective candidate is pretty much out of luck. Along with UPS and Southwest, Express pilots are the highest paid in the scheduled commercial airlines (some corporate pilots are paid more - very, very few though).

    There are plenty of non-Express pilots that seek out Express pilots to get a resume in.
  17. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    The only maniac that has ever attacked a FedEx crew was another jumpseating FedEx crewmember who was about to be terminated. A very famous incident.
  18. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    Which is a good reason not to allow employees to jump seat. I believe that pilot never flew again from the damages. Would you want to risk your life for a perk offered to non essential employees? They don't know the background of who is on the plane with them.
  19. CJinx

    CJinx Well-Known Member

    I've met a few at airports. One of them came up to me in Memphis International to say hi (he saw my Fedex ID attached to my backpack).
    I had heard a rumor that flashing a company badge would get you through lines and/or security... not true... or just above my pay grade. :(
  20. Route 66

    Route 66 Bent Member

    Most DEFINITELY not true....nope