Local 243

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Brownpants80, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    One email, from Miss Betty was the only thing you were originally asked to comment on, not a(nother) summary judgement of a complex case on appeal.

    Now who is "just making excuses"???



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  2. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Are you saying that the Company and Union made those emails exibits in Rob A's Panel cases?

    I have $100 that says they weren't, wanna bet?
     
  3. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    What was the context, of the Email question BRF asked ?

    I'd like to read them all.



    As a Steward, I'm sure you don't believe everything a member tells you ?
     
  4. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    I never said they were.

    If I'm not mistaken.... the NLRB subpoenaed them through the appeal phase

    based on "discovery" type elements.
     
  5. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Yes, you did.
     
  6. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    You are mis-interpreting the intent of that statement. :biggrin:

    Kind of like contract language....
     
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  7. BrownMonk

    BrownMonk Old fart Package Car Driver

    In over 30 years, I have never heard of a committeeman at the Teamsters. I know that UAW has a bunch of them but I have no idea what they do. What is the function of a committeeman?
     
  8. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    It is the equivalent of steward alternate. Responsibilities are exactly the same.
    Terminology.
    A lot of local have "coffee break" in their supplements. We have "paid break"

    A committee man is the acting steward at all times when a steward is not present.
     
  9. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    Exactly. One question regarding evidence (subject to consequences of perjury) on the record.

    Yet, no forthright answer from BUG.

    Are BUG and BRF one in the same?

    or,: Did they just both go to the same school ?
     
  10. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    What BUG stated about not leaving incriminating emails recoverable is SPOT ON.

    Hoffa/Hall probably gave a refresher course on how to destroy potential evidence of UPS Teamster collusion targeting members after the BRF debacle.

    There is no excuse for Hoffa/Hall/Taylor/BUG not admonishing or denouncing BRF's blatant retaliation and violations of the IBT constitution.

    Why Not? Because it is status quo.

    Read thru a few more BRF related emails.
    Why in any context would a Joint Council member share the following with UPS Labor management.

    This question is not addresses to BUG. Unless The BUG will actually answer a tough question. lol

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  11. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    That's your evidence of collusion ?


    All I see, is an Email with a copy of public FaceBook posts trashing the Local Union

    and the company. And did you notice.... TDU was brought up several times ?


    :biggrin:


    I thought you had something better than that.

    Where did BRF say anything, that could be construed as conspiring to support

    having RA fired ? Or, say anything negative about him. Seems like he was the

    one talking :censored2: about her....



    Why do you continue to neglect to answer my question ?

    What makes you think the IBT should be involved.... when no charges were filed ?


    You keep insinuating that I somehow condone what happened.

    When all I'm doing is looking at the situation in an objective manner....

    for lack of evidence.



    -Bug-
     
  12. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    In almost 40 years.... neither have I.



    Where is that in writing ?

    It's not in the Central Region language or the Local 243 Rider.


    BTW;

    In the Local 243 Rider....


    UNIFORM RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE ACTIONS OF UNITED PARCEL SERVICE EMPLOYEES AND MEMBERS OF TEAMSTERS LOCAL 243 AS REVISED EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1, 2013


    That has to be the absolute worst language, I have ever read in a UPS contract.

    No wonder you people are upset and afraid of UPS.



    -Bug-
     
  13. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    BRF's handling of RA possibly stealing time is unacceptable. The sharing of the other emails with UPS management is absurd.

    Here is how any union rep worth their salt would have handled these issues.

    Stealing Time: The only way that should have been addressed is directly by BRF with RA....not BRF to UPS mgmt. An actual rep following the IBT constitution would have called the actual member. Something, like....hey, I just noticed you are campaigning during working hours....I wanted to make sure you are on break or off.

    But what does BRF do? She attempts to RAILROAD RA when she goes directly to UPS mgmt. and suggests RA was on the clock.
    In one email, dated Friday June 10th, 2014, Fischer e-mails Tom McCready, Division Labor Manager at UPS. It was an e-mail that contained a screen shot of a Facebook post that Atkinson wrote after campaigning at Asbury Graphite (Atkinson was running for Principal Officer of Local 538 against Betty Rose Fischer). In the e-mail to Labor Manager McCready, Fischer suggests that McCready should look into whether Atkinson’s time spent at Asbury was while he was on the clock (he in fact had the day off).

    And She should have never forwarded the other emails to UPS mgmt that expressing discourse with her, UPS, and Hoffa/Hall.

    A recent National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) hearing revealed hundreds of e-mails between UPS management and officials at Teamsters Local 538 and other Locals from around the country on how to discipline Teamsters who voiced their dissatisfaction toward the Local, UPS and/or the 2013 UPS Master Agreement

    There can be no justification. Since Hoffa/Hall have not removed the rats. The members will vote them out.
     
  14. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    Called “alternate steward” in these parts
     
  15. BrownMonk

    BrownMonk Old fart Package Car Driver

    I opened that link and it seems like this case is a while back. I checked the Local web pages and that Betty is still in charge. Looks like it was investigated by the NLRB and no charges were pending for her or the Local. Is it still open?
     
  16. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    What's the case number ?
     
  17. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    No charges are pending. ULP were submitted to the NLRB against Joint Council 40. It was withdrawn or rejected.
     
  18. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member


    Case #06-CB-129240
     
  19. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    You're just trying to BS people.


    NLRB | Public Website


    Typical TDU.
     
  20. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    You must be joking. That is the actual case number. Charging Party was RA. The case was closed by withdrawal.

    Typical Hoffa/Hall/BUG.

    The context of the events below is irrelevant. This BRF violated the IBT constitution. You don't want to admit it. You obviously know it was a violation. People who don't take accountability are cowards. and People that don't represent the members are voted out.



    In one email, dated Friday June 10th, 2014, Fischer e-mails Tom McCready, Division Labor Manager at UPS. It was an e-mail that contained a screen shot of a Facebook post that Atkinson wrote after campaigning at Asbury Graphite (Atkinson was running for Principal Officer of Local 538 against Betty Rose Fischer). In the e-mail to Labor Manager McCready, Fischer suggests that McCready should look into whether Atkinson’s time spent at Asbury was while he was on the clock (he in fact had the day off). Another one, dated Thursday, May 15th 2014 shows Fischer emailing McCready with one of Atkinson’s post badmouthing the Local and Fischer. Another one, a week later, shows Fischer forwarding a post, by Teamster Mark Kerr (Atkinson's assistant Shop Steward), about his argument with management over performance and uniforms.

    I think BRF and others may have torn this page out of their IBT constitution.

    I will, at all times, act solely in the interests of our members, devote the resources of our Union to furthering their needs and goals, work to maintain a Union that is free of corruption, to preserve and strengthen democratic principles in our Union, and to protect the members’ interests in all dealings with employers. I will never forget that it is the members who put me here, and it is the members whom I will serve. I further promise that I will faithfully comply with and enforce the Constitution and laws of the International Union and Bylaws of this Union, that I will, at all times, by example, promote harmony and preserve the dignity of this Union.

    They are not serving the members; they are more worried about self preservation.
     
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