Management EBO-Rumor

[gata]

I was told it would be open to everyone at 4 today. You will have to click the transforming banner on the home page to get to it.

 

[kokomojoe]

The UPSer's.com site and explanation should be open to everyone...I'm a supervisor.

 

[upssalesguy]

not suprising. what is suprising is my district home office is now 250 miles away. good or bad?

this SUCKS for a lot of good mangement folks.

 

[brownsince76]

not suprising. what is suprising is my district home office is now 250 miles away. good or bad?

this SUCKS for a lot of good mangement folks.

we were are own district not no more

 

[brownsince76]

Only managers in the buy-out. OOOOOuch!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kokomojoe]

This is a major change. Many managers and above will be scrambling. Some will retire early; others will have to take a pay cut to keep a job. 2 unit managers will need to consider taking a 1 unit job in order to keep working.

Some folks will be asked to go home...especially administrative and clerical.

 

[gata]

The banner for everyone is now on UPSers. Click the video banner on the home page, it takes you to a video by Scott Davis and it has a place to add comments. http://tinyurl.com/yb3ar8u

 

[HeatMiser]

Okay..... the rumor is dead. Go to UPS'ers. Pay attention at tomorrow's PCM. The only details we're missing are the terms of the separation package. NDA letters arrive tomorrow for those eligible... Managers over 55 and Division Managers+ 50-54 (with some exceptions).

Lean and mean.

 

[gata]

We had our PCM and I have clicked through UPSers.com and there is no mention anywhere that the 401k match is coming back anytime soon.

 

[racerchaser]

I wonder what will happen to PT Sups?

 

[Red Rose Tea]

Does anyone know? I work in a 2 center bldg (approx 120 drivers). Offices are staffed with a combination of part-time sups, full-time specialist, part and full-time hourly admins. Will this consolidation affect any of our center staff? If so, how would the layoffs go down?

1st center with approx 70 drivers is staffed with 1 part-time sup, 2 part-time hourly admins and 2 full-time hourly admins.

The other center is staffed with 1 full-time specialist, 3 part-time sups, 1 full-time hourly admin and 1 part-time hourly admin.....

 

[pkgjockey]

50 to 54 offer is a severance and termination offer, not an early retirement offer. No Health Beneifits...and NO RETIREMENT PENSION CHECKS...until you reach 55. NOPE!

 

[RoyalFlush]

Well, here is some of the back story I have been told. I think its accurate, but I don't know this first hand. (Warning- this is long)

Oz Nelson was our CEO, and his background was in Customer Service. He pushed for UPS to be more customer oriented and believed in expanding our technology. I met him a few times, and he seemed like a good and honest person. So far, so good.....

He hired the Atlanta Consulting Group. That group concluded that our focus on efficiency was a problem, and that we should not be "The Tightest Ship in the Shipping Business".

Oz was a big proponent of this and advanced the whole push for "Quality" including the team approaches in the operations. There really was a lot of good in this "kinder / gentler" UPS and I still have a candid video of Oz discussing this approach.

What they missed big time, was that efficiency was part of our culture. They also missed that efficiency, teamwork, and good service are not necessarily conflicting goals.

Teams were put in place in many, many centers. In some places management fought the change. In others the Teamsters did.

What was consistent however is that in nearly every place BOTH cost and service got worse. We stopped paying attention to details.

Then, Oz is replaced by Jim Kelly, an operator. Rumor is that Jim never liked the Atlanta Consulting Group approach.

Finally, 1997 hit. Cost and service is poor, and we cannot reach a contract with the Teamsters (I do not want to get into who's fault that is...).

Poor cost, poor service, and poor contract negotiation was three strikes for the ACG and the UPS quality initiative (including driver teams). I'm sure that they would say UPS didn't give it a fair shake.... Others would say that the journey only led to poor cost and service.

To this day however, Oz is seen as a weak CEO and Kelly a strong one. I heard that at the centennial management conference, Oz got almost no applause and Jim a huge ovation....

By the way, in a different thread, there was an assertion as to why UPS started DPS and PAS. One major reason was the poor cost and service picture in 1996 and 1997. By the time DPS and PAS was deployed, much of the lost service and cost had improved, just by more attention to detail. (at least that's what many believe.)

P-Man

UPS gave up the ship during this era. Accountability went down with the ship. We will never re-gain the level of accountability we had prior to the Oz era. Now we have dirty trucks, unreported accidents, fudged reporting, paid over and part timers eating lunch while they're supposed to be working.

Oz had a "special" relationship with Atlanta Consulting that led to divorce from his wife and a separation of UPS and accountability.

 

[hellfire]

really, whats the moral of this story,---- never get into management at the operations level, because despite the fact that you get beat up from the hourly and all knowing upper level,, you are still very disposable... great long term thinking there corporate......

 

[Dis-organized Labor]

One Detail that UPSers.com left out was the RSB (Really Special Bailout) that UPSSOCKS was offered by BC. I heard that Cheryl had a Telethon and raised over $19Billion to buy out UPSSOCKS and get a Contingency that he never Posts on BC again.
TMZ reported that UPSSOCKS released a 2010 Statement and did not address the RSB, but they had video of him with Paris Hilton baking Turkeys. More to come, I'm sure

 

[tonyexpress]

One Detail that UPSers.com left out was the RSB (Really Special Bailout) that UPSSOCKS was offered by BC. I heard that Cheryl had a Telethon and raised over $19Billion to buy out UPSSOCKS and get a Contingency that he never Posts on BC again.
TMZ reported that UPSSOCKS released a 2010 Statement and did not address the RSB, but they had video of him with Paris Hilton baking Turkeys. More to come, I'm sure

I'm sure Paris will shine his shoes!

 

[Bozo Bob]

Oz had a "special" relationship with Atlanta Consulting that led to divorce from his wife and a separation of UPS and accountability.

Yes he did. He was knockin' boots with his lady friend from ACG. His wife found out and gave him the heave-ho. The sheriff was at the Corporate Office (AKA the "Oz Mahal") to serve him with the papers. Oz was the one who let the Corporate Office bloat into the nasty back-stabbing snakepit it is today. Hopefully this new buyout will go a long way toward draining the swamp.

 

[tarbar66]

Yes he did. He was knockin' boots with his lady friend from ACG. His wife found out and gave him the heave-ho. The sheriff was at the Corporate Office (AKA the "Oz Mahal") to serve him with the papers. Oz was the one who let the Corporate Office bloat into the nasty back-stabbing snakepit it is today. Hopefully this new buyout will go a long way toward draining the swamp.

Sounds like you have the inside scoop on how things worked at Corporate. Are you and Hoaxster friends?

 

[Catatonic]

Sounds like you have the inside scoop on how things worked at Corporate. Are you and Hoaxster friends?

First - I do not work at Corporate ... just in Atlanta.

Second - While juicy gossip, I was never aware or heard any of this and that was many years ago and 3 CEOs ago. Really irrelevant.

Third - I stay out of the snakepit as much as I can. Don't go there more than 1 or 2 times a year. Unfortunately, they come to my work location way too much.

Of course, if they did not come then I might not have a job ... so I guess it is not all bad.

 

[tarbar66]

First - I do not work at Corporate ... just in Atlanta.

I'm glad you are trying to stay off the radar!

Second - While juicy gossip, I was never aware or heard any of this and that was many years ago and 3 CEOs ago. Really irrelevant.

I always said that the people who gossip don't have enough work.

Third - I stay out of the snakepit as much as I can. Don't go there more than 1 or 2 times a year. Unfortunately, they come to my work location way too much.

What kind of snakes are in that pit: Rattlers, Copperhead or Cobras?

Of course, if they did not come then I might not have a job ... so I guess it is not all bad.