New year...new UPS

[soberups]

That is what happened on my route. They also gave away all my NDA so that the Orion plan had me running in EDD order.

This is of the things the union needs to challenge in regards to ORION.
As it stands now, the company can turn RDO on for one day during a production ride in order to allow methods to be followed, and then deliberately scramble the manifest with forced ODO the following day in order to cripple the driver’s ability to function properly and avoid wasting time with excessive sorting and rehandling of packages.
This could really give them the ability to manipulate SPORH and target older drivers for harassment and termination.

 

[Poop Head]

It's sad how just one particular NDA can destroy an entire day's Orion plan.

Pickups also blows up the Orion plan.

These two elements are the biggest contributors to making Orion a nonsensical program.

Orion sucks

 

[WTFm8]

... I’d just be happy if they’d just allow preload time to make the load decent.

Pickups kill Orion especially on split routes. Could be 15-20 minutes from a pickup when the scheduled time comes and next closest driver is still 10-15 minutes from it at that time.

 

[Indecisi0n]

This is of the things the union needs to challenge in regards to ORION.
As it stands now, the company can turn RDO on for one day during a production ride in order to allow methods to be followed, and then deliberately scramble the manifest with forced ODO the following day in order to cripple the driver’s ability to function properly and avoid wasting time with excessive sorting and rehandling of packages.
This could really give them the ability to manipulate SPORH and target older drivers for harassment and termination.

We don't recongire SPORH so who cares .

 

[BigUnionGuy]

We have all heard the new rules that will be going on here..One of them is the running scratch or you get a production ride. From my understanding a production ride is a 3 day ride. I looked all over the contract and can’t find this language in the master or supplements. I’m in the central. Also it’s my understanding they can’t do more than 1 a year. Can anybody help me out finding the language regarding 3 day rides in Central?

There is no contractual language.

National states 1 ride with 1 supervisor and it’s just your annual space/vidibility/knowledge.

The National language does not say that.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

There is no contractual language.





The National language does not say that.

How do these rumors start. Lmfao

 

[eats packages]

How do these rumors start. Lmfao

Probably because of local language and prior labor practices that actually exist. Instead of not existing. Sups here would be hard-pressed to give a second ride and a third one usually does not happen for the whole year.

Do I smell sarcasm?

 

[WTFm8]

The National language does not say that.

National contract Art 37 sec 2 states 1 ride for 1 day per year.

 

[542thruNthru]

National contract Art 37 sec 2 states 1 ride for 1 day per year.

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Hate to tell you this man but you need to read the language as a whole. It's saying 2 memebers of management will ride no more then 1 day with a driver and it won't be used against them.

 

[WTFm8]

Hate to tell you this man but you need to read the language as a whole. It's saying 2 memebers of management will ride no more then 1 day with a driver and it won't be used against them.

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Read first half of sentence right before what you highlighted.

It then goes on to clarify the only time 2 can be on is for training purpose of a new supervisor.

The 1-day is an annual ride to observe space/visibility, 5/10point commentary, yard control rules, lifting/lowering, and safety info (hazmat/leaking and where info is posted for evac/emergencies).

The O.J.S. day(s) aren’t an actual ride day usually. The supervisor/building manager/district manager come out and ‘spy’ on you for 10-20 minutes till they see something petty and make a suggestion on ways to improve safety/service.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

National contract Art 37 sec 2 states 1 ride for 1 day per year.

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We've blocked second rides (under the threat of being held accountable for production numbers) with grievances citing this language and harassment.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Read first half of sentence right before what you highlighted.

You're trying to read half a sentence, and make it say what you want.

It's a common mistake made in this section.


The language started in 1990. At the time, it said 2 rides per year with more

than 1 member of management. It was changed again in 1993.... to reduce it

to 1 ride per year with more than 1 member of management. The language has

remained exactly the same ever since.


The last time this issue was discussed here, someone brought up the question

of how could a 2nd management person ride on the pkg car without a seat

and a seat belt ?


If I remember correctly it was @scratch who provided a picture of a pkg car

with a 3rd seat installed.... something I'd never seen in almost 40 years.


Doing 3 day rides is how the big loudmouth "vote no" driver from PA (Rob A)

got fired. And he's never coming back....



-Bug-

 

[oldngray]

You're trying to read half a sentence, and make it say what you want.

It's a common mistake made in this section.


The language started in 1990. At the time, it said 2 rides per year with more

than 1 member of management. It was changed again in 1993.... to reduce it

to 1 ride per year with more than 1 member of management. The language has

remained exactly the same ever since.


The last time this issue was discussed here, someone brought up the question

of how could a 2nd management person ride on the pkg car without a seat

and a seat belt ?


If I remember correctly it was @scratch who provided a picture of a pkg car

with a 3rd seat installed.... something I'd never seen in almost 40 years.


Doing 3 day rides is how the big loudmouth "vote no" driver from PA (Rob A)

got fired. And he's never coming back....



-Bug-

The only time more than 1 sup rides with someone is for harassment about performance ... er "methods".

 

[BigUnionGuy]

The only time more than 1 sup rides with someone is for harassment about performance ... er "methods".

One supe is training the other one "how" to do it.

 

[WTFm8]

You're trying to read half a sentence, and make it say what you want.

It's a common mistake made in this section.


The language started in 1990. At the time, it said 2 rides per year with more

than 1 member of management. It was changed again in 1993.... to reduce it

to 1 ride per year with more than 1 member of management. The language has

remained exactly the same ever since.


The last time this issue was discussed here, someone brought up the question

of how could a 2nd management person ride on the pkg car without a seat

and a seat belt ?


If I remember correctly it was @scratch who provided a picture of a pkg car

with a 3rd seat installed.... something I'd never seen in almost 40 years.


Doing 3 day rides is how the big loudmouth "vote no" driver from PA (Rob A)

got fired. And he's never coming back....



-Bug-

So are you saying that more then 1 ride a year is or isn’t allowed?


And is anything more, especially a 3 day, considered harassment?


I’m saying anything more then 1 day a year IS harassment.


Exception is occasionally they’ll put someone on a route blind and an ORS will ride along with their tablet on helping guide/navigate for the driver. I don’t mind that because the supervisor isn’t physically doing the driving/route.

At the same time techincally the driver should be smart enough and the pickup times set correct to make business pickup/delivery commits, thereby rolling additional residential to end of day which dispatch should send surrounding drivers to help with... but we all know they sit in their office looking at a live report and put it on the drivers to message in for assistance.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

So are you saying that more then 1 ride a year is or isn’t allowed?

The contact doesn't address, how many times the company can ride with you.

If a driver feels it's an excessive amount.... they need to file for harassment.

And is anything more, especially a 3 day, considered harassment?

A 3 day ride isn't harassment.

The reason drivers get multiple 3 day rides, is their performance and sporh

greatly increase while a supe is on the car. That's what happened to Rob A.

 

[3 done 3 to go]

Even them opening the door to get out of your way. Saves time for them. Or a store door for you. Any ride along. You park safely. Then walk everything off. I make it so I back maybe 5 times that day. I drive to a spot to look around. Do not back as much as possible. Plus every yr. My manager says I never walked so much as when I'm with you. See ya next yr

 

[scratch]

The last time this issue was discussed here, someone brought up the question

of how could a 2nd management person ride on the pkg car without a seat

and a seat belt ?


If I remember correctly it was @scratch who provided a picture of a pkg car







-Bug-

I was driving this old spare car one day. I have never seen the third seat used, but here is one. The seat back is on the bulkhead door, the seat bottom itself was frozen on it's track. The first time I ever drove a package car it didn't have a jump seat. The supervisor stood up and hung on in that P-600.

 

[3 done 3 to go]

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He'll be may as well drive. I think I'd elbow him in the head a few times. Just cause I can. Plus I'd hit every bump in the road I could find

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

He'll be may as well drive. I think I'd elbow him in the head a few times. Just cause I can. Plus I'd hit every bump in the road I could find

I'd close that bullhead door so fast he wouldn't have a head attached to his body



Oops did I say that out loud??