Next Contract vote...

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by mainebrown, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    A NO vote will cancel out someone's YES vote.
    A NON Vote allows someone's yes vote to exist.

    Fairly simple concept….
     
  2. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    …. for all intents and purposes...
     
  3. Brownsocks

    Brownsocks Just a dog

    For all practical purposes* lol.
     
  4. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    Granted.

    But it was not like the Upstate New York Pension plan....

    Where a non-vote was literally considered a yes vote.



    But, the 54% of the members that voted no didn't have the ability to strike.


    The bottom line is.... the voter participation was an embarrassment.

    When a pitiful 120K members couldn't even bother to be involved in their own

    contract, what did you think would happen ?



    -Bug-
     
  5. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    This is only 1/5 of the membership, or 20%

    Nowhere near enough to "get a better deal."
     
  6. mjjlohn

    mjjlohn Active Member

    To be fair you guys are skewing participants counts by including part timers and 0-2 year employees.

    I’d be interested to see the vote percentage participation broken down by job classification.
     
  7. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    HAHAHA, BUG and his coneys would :censored2: themselves if the had to reveal all the numbers!
     
  8. 2033

    2033 Well-Known Member

    How's about we just take initiative. Meet people in the parking lot with tablets and baseball bats. Ask if they'd like to use one, or see a few creative ways the other can be used.
     
  9. Sickofit

    Sickofit watching the show

    24% or about 1/4 of the eligible membership. Do the math. A few percent more on both sides (3.4% total) and then the union would've had to go back to the table. The company was waiting there already.
    UPSRising? Sure was.
     
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  10. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    What do you expect from a bargaining unit that is comprised of 65% transient part time employees, a classification that has been sold down the river for the last 20 years???
     
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  11. Future

    Future Victory Ride

    Smh
     
  12. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    They're only sold down the river because they let themselves get sold down the river by not voting.

    But, no, I didn't expect less.
     
  13. 710 steward

    710 steward Active Member

    The days of career(involved) employees are almost over. They even teach in school that most people will have several jobs in their lifetime. This is one I whole heartedly disagree with you on. Maybe if Hoffa took an approach other than knee pads and a napkin Teamsters would feel inspired to vote as opposed to being ignored and being made to feel as if they are a nuisance.
     
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  14. BigBrown87

    BigBrown87 If it’s brown, it’s going down

    I see where back on the whole arguement of the imposed contract crap, it's over Hoffa will be gone and hopefully better days ahead. His legacy is tarnished and the Teamsters only gave more leverage to the company then to its members. Fin
     
  15. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    No we're not.

    We are on the whole members not voting issue.

    And this can come into play in 5 years no matter who replaces Hoffa.

    Even if the "new" leader does not agree with the contract, UPS can force a vote on it, and the IBT Constitution is not changing.

    The contract will be enforced if we cannot get enough people to vote.

    Start early. Get people informed. Get people involved. Get people to vote.
     
  16. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    ....and/or amend the IBT Constitution at the next Convention in 2021 to reflect the reality of the transient part time work force that comprises 65% of our membership at UPS???
     
  17. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    I seriously doubt the elected delegates would support an amendment, just to

    accommodate UPS Teamsters. And how many delegates are even from UPS ?



    -Bug-
     
  18. Maple Grove MN Driver

    Maple Grove MN Driver Cocaine Mang!

    How about actually voting for starters.
     
  19. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    What members, from what craft or contract, does the ridiculous, aniquated, 50%/two-thirds rule "accommodate"???

    ....a rule originally ill conceived during the dark, organized crime era of the Teamsters, that has already been watered down once, during a previous "reform era" in the 1990's.

    Could it be the rule isn't designed to serve the membership at all, rather a failed Negotiating Committe and IBT EBoard???



    ~Bbbl~™
     
  20. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    I could speculate about a myriad of reasons for it.



    Ron Carey and TDU were directly involved with it.

    So....



    (Certain) UPS members can cry and bitch all they want.

    Great job, on only 22% of the members voting in the "strike authorization".


    That's a big hand, to take to the table. (not)

    Thanks.... TDU.



    -Bug-