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[vantexan]

Just curious. How are we ever going to be able to pay-down the debt that Bush ran-up without increasing revenue? I always love conservatives who argue that "small business owners" and " job creators" will be hurt deeply by anything Obama wants to do tax-wise. "Taking away "the incentive to work" is another talking point. These are all "bootstrappers", right? They'll just strap a little harder. What BS.

What the GOP conveniently ignores is the fact that these folks already enjoy massive tax breaks and are paying percentage-wise, the lowest rates in history. They've been raking it in for years, and now it's time to start evening the playing field.

As some else said, none of us here are ever going to be making $400-$450,000 per year, nor will 99% of everyone else. The "small business owners" you are crying about don't make that kind of money either, so what's the point? They won't even be affected. I loved it when several "small business owners" started laying people off just after Obama was elected even though nothing had changed. Pure political theatre.

Worship the rich if you'd like, but I'd prefer that they play by the same rules as the rest of us.

There you go again. The small business owners I was worried about were in the $200k-$250k+ range that Obama was going after. I agree with you, in order to pay down the debt we need more revenue. Thank you for letting me make this point. We are in the situation we're in because of runaway government spending and the spender-in-chief is President Obama. We should have just let the tax increases and spending cuts kick in and then every working American would understand the consequences of overspending. But that would have been political suicide. Is the current plan enough revenue? No. Were the increases Obama wanted enough revenue? No. Know why? Because the Democrats refuse to discuss spending cuts because their political base would crucify them if the cash spigot is turned off. We should have never gotten to this point but now that we're here tell me how we're going to solve the debt issue if we don't curb spending? The Republicans think that if we hold down taxes enough the economy will bounce back and the gov't revenue will greatly increase, thus solve a lot of problems. Maybe, but things are so screwed up now I'm not certain that anyone beyond management will greatly benefit. Meanwhile Obamacare has increased gov't regulations by thousands of pages which is starting to strangle business. New regs, new taxes, higher premiums, and a demonstrated unwillingness to rein in spending. We are literally the proverbial lemmings marching towards the cliff, and all people want to do is demonize the other side and rip into those who have more than them. We are getting the gov't we deserve. And P.S. Romney was right, 47% of the population pay no income tax. We keep talking about the wealthy paying their fair share, but they already pay the bulk of it. And who do you think are paying the bulk of state income taxes? Property taxes that fund local needs? Yes, let's keep taking from them to pay for the social safety net needed to support the unemployed who were laid off so that the wealthy can pay ever higher taxes. Vicious cycle but if the goal is to take away absolutely as much as possible pretty soon you'll have that classless society you dream of because no one will have much of anything and no incentive to try.

 

[MrFedEx]

There you go again. The small business owners I was worried about were in the $200k-$250k+ range that Obama was going after. I agree with you, in order to pay down the debt we need more revenue. Thank you for letting me make this point. We are in the situation we're in because of runaway government spending and the spender-in-chief is President Obama. We should have just let the tax increases and spending cuts kick in and then every working American would understand the consequences of overspending. But that would have been political suicide. Is the current plan enough revenue? No. Were the increases Obama wanted enough revenue? No. Know why? Because the Democrats refuse to discuss spending cuts because their political base would crucify them if the cash spigot is turned off. We should have never gotten to this point but now that we're here tell me how we're going to solve the debt issue if we don't curb spending? The Republicans think that if we hold down taxes enough the economy will bounce back and the gov't revenue will greatly increase, thus solve a lot of problems. Maybe, but things are so screwed up now I'm not certain that anyone beyond management will greatly benefit. Meanwhile Obamacare has increased gov't regulations by thousands of pages which is starting to strangle business. New regs, new taxes, higher premiums, and a demonstrated unwillingness to rein in spending. We are literally the proverbial lemmings marching towards the cliff, and all people want to do is demonize the other side and rip into those who have more than them. We are getting the gov't we deserve. And P.S. Romney was right, 47% of the population pay no income tax. We keep talking about the wealthy paying their fair share, but they already pay the bulk of it. And who do you think are paying the bulk of state income taxes? Property taxes that fund local needs? Yes, let's keep taking from them to pay for the social safety net needed to support the unemployed who were laid off so that the wealthy can pay ever higher taxes. Vicious cycle but if the goal is to take away absolutely as much as possible pretty soon you'll have that classless society you dream of because no one will have much of anything and no incentive to try.

Next GOP drama....the debt ceiling. Stay tuned.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Just curious. How are we ever going to be able to pay-down the debt that Bush ran-up without increasing revenue? I always love conservatives who argue that "small business owners" and " job creators" will be hurt deeply by anything Obama wants to do tax-wise. "Taking away "the incentive to work" is another talking point. These are all "bootstrappers", right? They'll just strap a little harder. What BS.

What the GOP conveniently ignores is the fact that these folks already enjoy massive tax breaks and are paying percentage-wise, the lowest rates in history. They've been raking it in for years, and now it's time to start evening the playing field.

As some else said, none of us here are ever going to be making $400-$450,000 per year, nor will 99% of everyone else. The "small business owners" you are crying about don't make that kind of money either, so what's the point? They won't even be affected. I loved it when several "small business owners" started laying people off just after Obama was elected even though nothing had changed. Pure political theatre.

Worship the rich if you'd like, but I'd prefer that they play by the same rules as the rest of us.

There you go again. The small business owners I was worried about were in the $200k-$250k+ range that Obama was going after. I agree with you, in order to pay down the debt we need more revenue. Thank you for letting me make this point. We are in the situation we're in because of runaway government spending and the spender-in-chief is President Obama. We should have just let the tax increases and spending cuts kick in and then every working American would understand the consequences of overspending. But that would have been political suicide. Is the current plan enough revenue? No. Were the increases Obama wanted enough revenue? No. Know why? Because the Democrats refuse to discuss spending cuts because their political base would crucify them if the cash spigot is turned off. We should have never gotten to this point but now that we're here tell me how we're going to solve the debt issue if we don't curb spending? The Republicans think that if we hold down taxes enough the economy will bounce back and the gov't revenue will greatly increase, thus solve a lot of problems. Maybe, but things are so screwed up now I'm not certain that anyone beyond management will greatly benefit. Meanwhile Obamacare has increased gov't regulations by thousands of pages which is starting to strangle business. New regs, new taxes, higher premiums, and a demonstrated unwillingness to rein in spending. We are literally the proverbial lemmings marching towards the cliff, and all people want to do is demonize the other side and rip into those who have more than them. We are getting the gov't we deserve. And P.S. Romney was right, 47% of the population pay no income tax. We keep talking about the wealthy paying their fair share, but they already pay the bulk of it. And who do you think are paying the bulk of state income taxes? Property taxes that fund local needs? Yes, let's keep taking from them to pay for the social safety net needed to support the unemployed who were laid off so that the wealthy can pay ever higher taxes. Vicious cycle but if the goal is to take away absolutely as much as possible pretty soon you'll have that classless society you dream of because no one will have much of anything and no incentive to try.

Here we go again. The fact is the economy is growing, albeit slowly, but it is growing. So Obama must be doing something right? The tax increases were minimal. Not 75% like the French are contemplating. The wealthy can handle 4 to 5% no problem. The fact is the US economy is going to take a lot longer than thought to recover fully and is also dependant on the world economy. Most of these " social " programs are beneficial to the country as a whole. Just look at healthcare for instance. If these people that can't afford ins. on their own aren't able to go to the doctor for normal health issues and preventive care, they will be visiting the emergency room . And who do you think picks up the tab? Taxpayers, that's who. So why wouldn't you want to pay a little now than a lot later? And also by the public visiting the doctor more it would cut down on communicable diseases and illnesses thus bettering the society as a whole. Pretty common sense in my opinion.

 

[MrFedEx]

Here we go again. The fact is the economy is growing, albeit slowly, but it is growing. So Obama must be doing something right? The tax increases were minimal. Not 75% like the French are contemplating. The wealthy can handle 4 to 5% no problem. The fact is the US economy is going to take a lot longer than thought to recover fully and is also dependant on the world economy. Most of these " social " programs are beneficial to the country as a whole. Just look at healthcare for instance. If these people that can't afford ins. on their own aren't able to go to the doctor for normal health issues and preventive care, they will be visiting the emergency room . And who do you think picks up the tab? Taxpayers, that's who. So why wouldn't you want to pay a little now than a lot later? And also by the public visiting the doctor more it would cut down on communicable diseases and illnesses thus bettering the society as a whole. Pretty common sense in my opinion.

NO!! Obama is a Socialistical Madman who is trying to subvert American Exceptionalism! He hates America!

 

[TUT]

Last I heard our pilots were making $250k+. That puts them squarely in Obama's crosshairs.

I updated myself, here's a link with all major airline pay. Express does well (250k'ish as you mentioned), but totally in the same market as any major airlines, so they are making market pay. UPS nearly another 100k on top of that. Interesting.

http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pilot/airlinepayrates.html

 

[vantexan]

Here we go again. The fact is the economy is growing, albeit slowly, but it is growing. So Obama must be doing something right? The tax increases were minimal. Not 75% like the French are contemplating. The wealthy can handle 4 to 5% no problem. The fact is the US economy is going to take a lot longer than thought to recover fully and is also dependant on the world economy. Most of these " social " programs are beneficial to the country as a whole. Just look at healthcare for instance. If these people that can't afford ins. on their own aren't able to go to the doctor for normal health issues and preventive care, they will be visiting the emergency room . And who do you think picks up the tab? Taxpayers, that's who. So why wouldn't you want to pay a little now than a lot later? And also by the public visiting the doctor more it would cut down on communicable diseases and illnesses thus bettering the society as a whole. Pretty common sense in my opinion.

There was an article in the Economist recently that demonstrated that a woman in Pennsylvania making $29,000 a year is better off than a woman making $69,000 a year due to government subsidies/entitlements. Entitlement spending is unsustainable, but y'all refuse to see it. And EVERYONE paying more to cover millions, including those with expensive preexisting conditions is a much bigger drag on the economy than spending as you go to help those in immediate need. And the French Supreme Court shot down the 75% top rate as unconstitutional. And the U.S. IS going to take longer to recover because of Obamacare, not in spite of it.

 

[overflowed]

If I was making 400k +, I wouldn't be worried about another 4 or 5 %. It definitely wouldn't affect my lifestyle. Even at 250k.

I've always thought those people are really griping just to gripe. In the scheme of things its really not that much money. It's not like suddenly there going to go to the cheaper gas station or anything. Small things that we notice like gas prices or food prices, these folks are oblivious to.

 

[Lordtekk]

There you go again. The small business owners I was worried about were in the $200k-$250k+ range that Obama was going after. I agree with you, in order to pay down the debt we need more revenue. Thank you for letting me make this point. We are in the situation we're in because of runaway government spending and the spender-in-chief is President Obama. We should have just let the tax increases and spending cuts kick in and then every working American would understand the consequences of overspending. But that would have been political suicide. Is the current plan enough revenue? No. Were the increases Obama wanted enough revenue? No. Know why? Because the Democrats refuse to discuss spending cuts because their political base would crucify them if the cash spigot is turned off. We should have never gotten to this point but now that we're here tell me how we're going to solve the debt issue if we don't curb spending? The Republicans think that if we hold down taxes enough the economy will bounce back and the gov't revenue will greatly increase, thus solve a lot of problems. Maybe, but things are so screwed up now I'm not certain that anyone beyond management will greatly benefit. Meanwhile Obamacare has increased gov't regulations by thousands of pages which is starting to strangle business. New regs, new taxes, higher premiums, and a demonstrated unwillingness to rein in spending. We are literally the proverbial lemmings marching towards the cliff, and all people want to do is demonize the other side and rip into those who have more than them. We are getting the gov't we deserve. And P.S. Romney was right, 47% of the population pay no income tax. We keep talking about the wealthy paying their fair share, but they already pay the bulk of it. And who do you think are paying the bulk of state income taxes? Property taxes that fund local needs? Yes, let's keep taking from them to pay for the social safety net needed to support the unemployed who were laid off so that the wealthy can pay ever higher taxes. Vicious cycle but if the goal is to take away absolutely as much as possible pretty soon you'll have that classless society you dream of because no one will have much of anything and no incentive to try.

Seriously do you ever read the B.S. you write ? We are in debt because of the Republic Party Period,there is no way around it and all of your B.S. Talking points have all been refuted time and time again and yet you continue to repeat them. I suppose the 47% who pay no taxes pay no payroll tax ? Sales Tax ? State Tax ? etc...The wealthy do not pay their fair share,tax shelters,accounts in the Caymans,Switzerland,Lower tax rate that you or I pay. It is not how much you pay but the percent of what you make,simple math. So no they do not pay their fair share. If it were up to them they would pay nothing.Who pays the majority of state taxes ? The middle class. The property taxes ? The middle class. These things are so easy to find out if you took the time to actually get your facts from a reliable source. I don't know where you get your info from but it totally infuriates me when you post this B.S. Hence why I don't read anything you write because instead of talking about the issues that affect all of us as Fedex Employees you always seem to bring your B.S, politics into everything. Let it go,you Republics lost,you are zealots who don't give a damn about no one but themselves and their Randian philosophy. Well welcome to the New America and if you don't like it leave. What do I call people who try to avoid taxes even though they can afford them ? Traitors. Seriously dude I despise your politics and everything you stand for.

 

[Lordtekk]

There was an article in the Economist recently that demonstrated that a woman in Pennsylvania making $29,000 a year is better off than a woman making $69,000 a year due to government subsidies/entitlements. Entitlement spending is unsustainable, but y'all refuse to see it. And EVERYONE paying more to cover millions, including those with expensive preexisting conditions is a much bigger drag on the economy than spending as you go to help those in immediate need. And the French Supreme Court shot down the 75% top rate as unconstitutional. And the U.S. IS going to take longer to recover because of Obamacare, not in spite of it.

Cite your source.

 

[vantexan]

Cite your source.

Google Economist entitlements $29,000. Plenty of sources.

 

[Lordtekk]

There was an article in the Economist recently that demonstrated that a woman in Pennsylvania making $29,000 a year is better off than a woman making $69,000 a year due to government subsidies/entitlements. Entitlement spending is unsustainable, but y'all refuse to see it. And EVERYONE paying more to cover millions, including those with expensive preexisting conditions is a much bigger drag on the economy than spending as you go to help those in immediate need. And the French Supreme Court shot down the 75% top rate as unconstitutional. And the U.S. IS going to take longer to recover because of Obamacare, not in spite of it.

so let them die I guess,now Republics are using France for their entitlement bashing ? Should it not be called Freedom Land ? I thought you Republics hated France ? Hypocrites. When it fits your agenda you guys would quote Satan if possible. Man you guys are pathetic. If you are so smart like you think you are instead of reading B.S. and copying and pasting,why don't you have an original thought ? Everything you write I have read somewhere else ? Wow the hypocrisy. Obamacare is a problem,so let them all die. The Free Market right ? Exchanges Right ? Pathetic not a sympathetic bone in their bodies for the least fortunate,let them starve,if they need medical attention,let them die,if they have no home let them live in the streets. Real Christian of you.

 

[Lordtekk]

Google Economist entitlements $29,000. Plenty of sources.

I'm on it.

 

[vantexan]

Seriously do you ever read the B.S. you write ? We are in debt because of the Republic Party Period,there is no way around it and all of your B.S. Talking points have all been refuted time and time again and yet you continue to repeat them. I suppose the 47% who pay no taxes pay no payroll tax ? Sales Tax ? State Tax ? etc...The wealthy do not pay their fair share,tax shelters,accounts in the Caymans,Switzerland,Lower tax rate that you or I pay. It is not how much you pay but the percent of what you make,simple math. So no they do not pay their fair share. If it were up to them they would pay nothing.Who pays the majority of state taxes ? The middle class. The property taxes ? The middle class. These things are so easy to find out if you took the time to actually get your facts from a reliable source. I don't know where you get your info from but it totally infuriates me when you post this B.S. Hence why I don't read anything you write because instead of talking about the issues that affect all of us as Fedex Employees you always seem to bring your B.S, politics into everything. Let it go,you Republics lost,you are zealots who don't give a damn about no one but themselves and their Randian philosophy. Well welcome to the New America and if you don't like it leave. What do I call people who try to avoid taxes even though they can afford them ? Traitors. Seriously dude I despise your politics and everything you stand for.

Same old rabid spiel and yet the CBO backs my figures up on income taxes. You are infected with class hatred. And I reply to posts that clearly show a lack of understanding of what's going on. Like your's. It's sad that some people go through life being intellectually lazy, only willing to see the world through the prism of their prejudices. I've repeatedly talked about how those at the top are making a disproportionate amount of money in comparison to their employees and that the system is out of kilter. But that's not enough for you. You attack anyone who's doing well, i.e. $200k-$250k(Obama's line of demarcation). In your world people should work really hard to build something and then give away everything beyond what they need to exist to others who don't want to work hard. If you only want to work 40 hours a week so that you have time to socialize or watch TV or recreate or whatever don't begrudge the guy who works 15-20 hrs a day to build a small business and take care of the small details and paperwork. If they end up with a nice home, taking trips and driving nice cars, etc well they earned it. If you take away every incentive to work hard then our economy falls apart. Today it's 4 or 5%, tomorrow it's 4 or 5% more, until eventually companies either close down or move their operations offshore as it's not worth it to them to work so hard with little to show for it. Of course there are those who take advantage and abuse. But there are millions gaming the system too. But you only want to see the negative of those that have. Why is that? Does it eat at you that they are doing better? Well then start your own business and put in the time and get the expertise necessary to be successful. Otherwise you are just another leech who thinks he deserves as much blood as the host he has his teeth into.

 

[Lordtekk]

There was an article in the Economist recently that demonstrated that a woman in Pennsylvania making $29,000 a year is better off than a woman making $69,000 a year due to government subsidies/entitlements. Entitlement spending is unsustainable, but y'all refuse to see it. And EVERYONE paying more to cover millions, including those with expensive preexisting conditions is a much bigger drag on the economy than spending as you go to help those in immediate need. And the French Supreme Court shot down the 75% top rate as unconstitutional. And the U.S. IS going to take longer to recover because of Obamacare, not in spite of it.

Googled it and to my surprise it's not in the Economist it is in AEI American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an American conservative think tank founded in 1943. Its stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[SUP][2][/SUP] AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C

A conservative think tank of racist,morons,and ideological fools. Seriously Van ? This is your source ? Partisan hacks? I Thought it was in the Economist ? Like I said pathetic. So extreme that Conservative Hack David Frum was fired ? Great Source,please excuse me while I laugh at this.

 

[vantexan]

so let them die I guess,now Republics are using France for their entitlement bashing ? Should it not be called Freedom Land ? I thought you Republics hated France ? Hypocrites. When it fits your agenda you guys would quote Satan if possible. Man you guys are pathetic. If you are so smart like you think you are instead of reading B.S. and copying and pasting,why don't you have an original thought ? Everything you write I have read somewhere else ? Wow the hypocrisy. Obamacare is a problem,so let them all die. The Free Market right ? Exchanges Right ? Pathetic not a sympathetic bone in their bodies for the least fortunate,let them starve,if they need medical attention,let them die,if they have no home let them live in the streets. Real Christian of you.

Did you not read the thread? France was brought up, I responded. And who was just letting them die under the old system? If anything as Obamacare starts having cost overruns they will start making choices as to who gets care and who doesn't. You read it everywhere else? When you were in school did you not study textbooks? Did you learn nothing? Of course I've read it elsewhere, that's how you learn you imbecile.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Here we go again. The fact is the economy is growing, albeit slowly, but it is growing. So Obama must be doing something right? The tax increases were minimal. Not 75% like the French are contemplating. The wealthy can handle 4 to 5% no problem. The fact is the US economy is going to take a lot longer than thought to recover fully and is also dependant on the world economy. Most of these " social " programs are beneficial to the country as a whole. Just look at healthcare for instance. If these people that can't afford ins. on their own aren't able to go to the doctor for normal health issues and preventive care, they will be visiting the emergency room . And who do you think picks up the tab? Taxpayers, that's who. So why wouldn't you want to pay a little now than a lot later? And also by the public visiting the doctor more it would cut down on communicable diseases and illnesses thus bettering the society as a whole. Pretty common sense in my opinion.

There was an article in the Economist recently that demonstrated that a woman in Pennsylvania making $29,000 a year is better off than a woman making $69,000 a year due to government subsidies/entitlements. Entitlement spending is unsustainable, but y'all refuse to see it. And EVERYONE paying more to cover millions, including those with expensive preexisting conditions is a much bigger drag on the economy than spending as you go to help those in immediate need. And the French Supreme Court shot down the 75% top rate as unconstitutional. And the U.S. IS going to take longer to recover because of Obamacare, not in spite of it.

You are just talking out of your ass now. Have you or anyone close to you had to go through cancer and treatment? I doubt it or you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. You don't want to go to the doctor when there is just an " immediate need". By that time it's too late for something like cancer and your days on earth would be numbered. With medical advances and treatment if detected early your chances of survival and quality of life go way up. Why you and your repub brothers think that is a bad thing is beyond belief.

 

[vantexan]

Googled it and to my surprise it's not in the Economist it is in AEI American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an American conservativethink tank founded in 1943. Its stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[SUP][2][/SUP] AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C

A conservative think tank of racist,morons,and ideological fools. Seriously Van ? This is your source ? Partisan hacks? I Thought it was in the Economist ? Like I said pathetic. So extreme that Conservative Hack David Frum was fired ? Great Source,please excuse me while I laugh at this.

So what? The Economist quoted them? And by the way, are you against the things they stand for? Why? Are you a communist?

 

[vantexan]

You are just talking out of your ass now. Have you or anyone close to you had to go through cancer and treatment? I doubt it or you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. You don't want to go to the doctor when there is just an " immediate need". By that time it's too late for something like cancer and your days on earth would be numbered. With medical advances and treatment if detected early your chances of survival and quality of life go way up. Why you and your repub brothers think that is a bad thing is beyond belief.

So get a job with a healthcare plan and see a doctor.

 

[Lordtekk]

Same old rabid spiel and yet the CBO backs my figures up on income taxes. You are infected with class hatred. And I reply to posts that clearly show a lack of understanding of what's going on. Like your's. It's sad that some people go through life being intellectually lazy, only willing to see the world through the prism of their prejudices. I've repeatedly talked about how those at the top are making a disproportionate amount of money in comparison to their employees and that the system is out of kilter. But that's not enough for you. You attack anyone who's doing well, i.e. $200k-$250k(Obama's line of demarcation). In your world people should work really hard to build something and then give away everything beyond what they need to exist to others who don't want to work hard. If you only want to work 40 hours a week so that you have time to socialize or watch TV or recreate or whatever don't begrudge the guy who works 15-20 hrs a day to build a small business and take care of the small details and paperwork. If they end up with a nice home, taking trips and driving nice cars, etc well they earned it. If you take away every incentive to work hard then our economy falls apart. Today it's 4 or 5%, tomorrow it's 4 or 5% more, until eventually companies either close down or move their operations offshore as it's not worth it to them to work so hard with little to show for it. Of course there are those who take advantage and abuse. But there are millions gaming the system too. But you only want to see the negative of those that have. Why is that? Does it eat at you that they are doing better? Well then start your own business and put in the time and get the expertise necessary to be successful. Otherwise you are just another leech who thinks he deserves as much blood as the host he has his teeth into.

First off DUDE I don't attack anyone but you,so stop making it about class hatred they got theirs good for them,pay the same tax rate I pay and it's cool. I can not afford accountants to hide my money nor do I make mine in Capital Gains,,but the same can be said about you. Do you think a rich person is reading this and is going to give you some of their millions ? I think you have Rich people envy because maybe you think you will hit the lottery or you will find it somewhere. Guess what it's not happening. I don't give a damn about the rich I give a damn about the rich whining about they pay too much. There is no sympathy for them and rightfully so. By the way I do fine,if I ever came into that much money I would give it all away to the less fortunate. I only envy people with Super Powers other than that I could care less about anyone and their riches,but you sure do. By the way the CBO does not back up your figures on Income Tax funny when it fits your agenda they are the go to but they also said Obamacare will reduce the budget so I'm guessing you agree ? So which is it the CBO on income tax right or Obamacare wrong ? And if obamacare is wrong please tell me which part is wrong because I'm sure you read all 2,000 pages,you not your B.S. Sources, You tell me which part and tell me the page it is on.

 

[Lordtekk]

So what? The Economist quoted them? And by the way, are you against the things they stand for? Why? Are you a communist?

Are you a Communist ? Do you support Communism ? If you don't please tell me everything in your home is made in the U.S.A. right. Hypocrite. Almost everything you own is probably made in China. So when you purge your home of all chinese goods talk to me Commie. And no the Economist did not quote them liar,don't try and make them seem legit.