Pregnacy in Rape is God's Intent!

klein

Für Meno :)
The dr I see happens to perform them. He is in the ritzy section of Syracuse and doesn't accept Medicaid. The rich girls having them don't talk about the fact that they got knocked up by their hubby's brother. The poor ones brag.

I agree with you Meno !
Since most abortions are not public funded, and are private clinics, who has the money to pay for them ?
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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All of those more moral states are not in play for the election ... solidly against Obama.
I was referring to the Mid-West and Eastern states such as Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, Pennsylvania, etc that are the swing states at this point.
Well that's the point isn't it? If the swing states were all "moral states" that restricted access to abortion, then they would all be solidly against Obama.

Really you're chasing some kind of chicken and egg argument here. The fact is that if abortion really were illegal we would be a very different kind of country and the parties would probably have very different platforms. It's not like abortion would be illegal and everything else would be exactly the same.
 

wkmac

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Perhaps God had a hand in Herod's Slaughter of the Innocents as well and thus is fine with abortion.

If god hardened Pharaoh's heart, why should god not also have a hand in Herod's action? You mean Jesus came to be among us for the greater purpose of man's salvation and yet it was pure chance that he was executed to fulfill that mission?

Even Paul understood that god intertwined himself in the affairs of man in order to derive an outcome.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! [SUP]15 [/SUP]For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[SUP][friend][/SUP]

[SUP]16 [/SUP]It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[SUP][g][/SUP] [SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

How did Jesus seem to know what his purpose and outcome would be if this was all left to pure chance and the pure free will of man?
What if the Sanhedrin had by it's free will choice never arrested Jesus and tried him by jewish law founding him guilty? What would god do then?

As I go back to my original point in what Mourdock said, whether we like the point or not, agree or disagree, from the bible he does have a point upon which he can stand. And thus from a bible perspective, was the rapist acting alone or was he acting per the hand of god and thus all outcomes would be according to god's will.

As a purely side note, the next time you hear someone proclaim they want to end the welfare state and you think of them as heartless and without compassion, read verse 15 above and ponder that thought. Besides, how can you not be sure that the person speaking is not in reality a messenger of god and acting according to god's own purpose? What might god have done to an Israelite who murdered Pharaoh while in the midst of the grand contest between Moses and Pharaoh thus denying god the chance to display his power for good? If Pharaoh was an "arm of the Lord" why is it no less a point of consideration that Hitler was an "arm of the Lord?" And if you think that question absurd, you should consider the book "The Trial of God" by Ellie Wiesel that was later made into a movie.

The entire film "God on Trail" is free on YouTube but this is "The Verdict" scene which makes the point. A esteemed Rabbi among them who had remained silent is now speaking and his words are deeply thought provoking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI
 

wkmac

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And hoaxster was 100% correct. I will rephrase my question. Irregardless of the individual states restrictions on abortions, do you think a female more apt to produce a democrat voter or a republican voter is more likely to seek out an abortion?

If you honestly believed that you'd be for abortion and want to federally fund it for the political outcome it presents you!
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I agree with you Meno !
Since most abortions are not public funded, and are private clinics, who has the money to pay for them ?

Me's observation is ad hoc in nature and should be treated as such.

By private, you mean that abortions are paid for
by insurance provided by non-government employers
or
by non-profit organizations.

Actual abortions paid for by individuals are less than 3% of all abortions in the US.
 

bbsam

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Yes, wk. We have no idea how God's will works out. If the rape is God's will, then why not the abortion? Such quandries are solved at the individual heart and not the campaign trail.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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And hoaxster was 100% correct. I will rephrase my question. Irregardless of the individual states restrictions on abortions, do you think a female more apt to produce a democrat voter or a republican voter is more likely to seek out an abortion?
I don't agree with your premise that you can accurately predict a child's future political affiliation based on whether or not the mother supported abortion rights, life just isn't that simple. If it was, as mac pointed out, republicans (the smart ones) would all be in favor of abortion on demand as means of securing their own political dominance.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I don't agree with your premise that you can accurately predict a child's future political affiliation based on whether or not the mother supported abortion rights, life just isn't that simple. If it was, as mac pointed out, republicans (the smart ones) would all be in favor of abortion on demand as means of securing their own political dominance.

That was why I qualified it with "almost all" ... I inserted the "almost" right before I clicked the submit button for the reason you give above.

Ever read Freakonomics? I think you would enjoy it.
Freakonomics Books
 

brett636

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I don't agree with your premise that you can accurately predict a child's future political affiliation based on whether or not the mother supported abortion rights, life just isn't that simple. If it was, as mac pointed out, republicans (the smart ones) would all be in favor of abortion on demand as means of securing their own political dominance.

So you don't think a mostly poor, democrat household is more likely to produce a democrat voter? Single mothers, by in large, are democrats, and they are also the largest demographic to seek out an abortion.

As far as wkmac goes he couldn't be more wrong. Unlike liberals my respect for life transcends my political desires. In fact, history shows it is not the conservative types that kill to maintain political dominance, it is your leftist radicals that do.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
So you don't think a mostly poor, democrat household is more likely to produce a democrat voter? Single mothers, by in large, are democrats, and they are also the largest demographic to seek out an abortion.

As far as wkmac goes he couldn't be more wrong. Unlike liberals my respect for life transcends my political desires. In fact, history shows it is not the conservative types that kill to maintain political dominance, it is your leftist radicals that do.

Like those two standards of leftyism Stalin and Hitler?
 

Jones

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So you don't think a mostly poor, democrat household is more likely to produce a democrat voter? Single mothers, by in large, are democrats, and they are also the largest demographic to seek out an abortion.

As far as wkmac goes he couldn't be more wrong. Unlike liberals my respect for life transcends my political desires. In fact, history shows it is not the conservative types that kill to maintain political dominance, it is your leftist radicals that do.
You're chasing your tail. If your ideas about political predestination were actually true then Roe v. Wade would have spelled the end of the line for democrats, yet here we are 40 years later and they still outnumber republicans.
 

brett636

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You're chasing your tail. If your ideas about political predestination were actually true then Roe v. Wade would have spelled the end of the line for democrats, yet here we are 40 years later and they still outnumber republicans.

I'm not chasing my tail, you are ignoring the facts. Hoaxsters original comment that Obama could be cruising to a win right now is spot on if Roe v. Wade had gone the other way.
 

The Other Side

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So you don't think a mostly poor, democrat household is more likely to produce a democrat voter? Single mothers, by in large, are democrats, and they are also the largest demographic to seek out an abortion.

As far as wkmac goes he couldn't be more wrong. Unlike liberals my respect for life transcends my political desires. In fact, history shows it is not the conservative types that kill to maintain political dominance, it is your leftist radicals that do.

Considering the fact that the poorest of americans who pay no taxes all LIVE IN RED STATES that votes republican. If your point is valid, then republican states would have the highest number of abortions per capita along with WHITE WOMEN who make up the majority of welfare recepients.

Thanks for the confirmation. (p.s. the shirt is on the way)

peace

TOS
 

Jones

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He thought he was a Socialist and included that in his party's name.
Mein Kampf and Das Kapital have many similarities.
He did it for political reasons, socialism was popular and he wanted to people to think he was a socialist. His main opposition was the Social Democratic Party (who really were socialists) so he came up with "National Socialists" as a way of differentiating. He hated communists with a passion, he rounded them all up even quicker than the jews. He also claimed to be a devout christian who was doing the lord's work by eradicating the jews (David Hagee agrees with him on this apparently).
I don't think he was really any political "ism", my own opinion is that he was a psychotic dictator and master manipulator who did whatever he felt was necessary and assigned it whatever label he felt was convenient.
 

Jones

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I'm not chasing my tail, you are ignoring the facts. Hoaxsters original comment that Obama could be cruising to a win right now is spot on if Roe v. Wade had gone the other way.
What facts am I ignoring? That 40 years after Roe v. Wade there are more democrats than republicans? If your ideas about political predestination are true, then how did that happen?
 
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