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El Correcto

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Actually we ran the Taliban out of the country into Pakistan. They regrouped there with the help of Pakistan (our ally?) and came back in. In some back room of the White House or the Pentagon it was decided that a lot of money could be made and even though we had satellite imagery of them coming in as well as constant caravans from the Pakistanis resupplying the Taliban we just let it happen. Back in the day the Afghans could've fought the British to a win and with our help run the Soviets out. But today we have the technology necessary to whip primitive fighters. This is why Trump was unpopular in the Pentagon. They spent big money on defense contractors and after retirement landed plush jobs with those same contractors for very high pay. He upset the apple cart. As for those who think it would've served some strategic value next to China, if we ever get into a nuclear war with China how long do you think those bases are going to last? Some seem to have no problem getting our soldiers killed and spending huge sums of money to avoid the embarrassment of losing a war to a bunch of people still living in the Dark Ages. Get over it, Trump did the right thing. But Biden fouled it up.
Not to be a prick, but can you post some sources on this defense contractors and pentagon collusion to allow the taliban to survive so they can profit? I’d like to read about that.
I listened to a podcast about this guy, was pretty interesting and scandalous the :censored2: these people got up to.
 

vantexan

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Not to be a prick, but can you post some sources on this defense contractors and pentagon collusion to allow the taliban to survive so they can profit? I’d like to read about that.
I listened to a podcast about this guy, was pretty interesting and scandalous the :censored2: these people got up to.
I saw some reporting on it on FOX where they obtained through FOIA video of the Taliban and Pakistani caravans going through a valley in northeast Afghanistan that connects the two countries. They've surveiled that valley for years, knew exactly what was going on and never tried to stop it. Why do you think that is? Trump said they were spending $42 billion a year in Afghanistan. No, wasn't at the meeting where they decided to cash in. But tell me what other reason could there be to keep us there spending that kind of money with no end in sight?
 

El Correcto

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I saw some reporting on it on FOX where they obtained through FOIA video of the Taliban and Pakistani caravans going through a valley in northeast Afghanistan that connects the two countries. They've surveiled that valley for years, knew exactly what was going on and never tried to stop it. Why do you think that is? Trump said they were spending $42 billion a year in Afghanistan. No, wasn't at the meeting where they decided to cash in. But tell me what other reason could there be to keep us there spending that kind of money with no end in sight?
Oh so conspiracy proves Donald was correct in pflushing down 20 years of American sacrifice and blood including those who died on 9/11.
Sorry if I don’t find that compelling enough.
You should find a single shred of evidence of this maybe,
 

vantexan

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Oh so conspiracy proves Donald was correct in pflushing down 20 years of American sacrifice and blood including those who died on 9/11.
Sorry if I don’t find that compelling enough.
You should find a single shred of evidence of this maybe,
Yeah, because generals getting fat paychecks at defense contractors after retiring isn't happening. We got bin Laden, and other than harboring him for a time the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. Most of those guys were Saudis. Continuing to get people killed for a people who won't stand and fight their oppressors is insanity. Meanwhile we give billions to Pakistan which was giving material support to the Taliban as well as hiding bin Laden.
 

newfie

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Oh so conspiracy proves Donald was correct in pflushing down 20 years of American sacrifice and blood including those who died on 9/11.
Sorry if I don’t find that compelling enough.
You should find a single shred of evidence of this maybe,
Donald had a plan to end that biden ignored in his rush to get out.

how should it have ended? do you really think we should keep sending our kids over there to die?
 

El Correcto

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The problem is the way Biden withdrew.
Everyone says this but a complete withdrawal of Afghanistan would be disastrous no matter what in the end. The only way you would succeed is by keeping their air force going, keeping contractors there, keeping intelligence assets there.
There is no full withdrawal that ends with the Taliban not regaining control eventually.
Yeah, because generals getting fat paychecks at defense contractors after retiring isn't happening. We got bin Laden, and other than harboring him for a time the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. Most of those guys were Saudis. Continuing to get people killed for a people who won't stand and fight their oppressors is insanity. Meanwhile we give billions to Pakistan which was giving material support to the Taliban as well as hiding bin Laden.
Al Qaeda and the Taliban are thick as thieves, so yes by siding with the aggressors of 9/11 they became America’s enemy. Their country became al Qaeda’s stronghold.
You keep repeating they won’t fight for themselves, they lost like 60,000 or some crazy number. You people are just stuck on stupid with this talking point. Are they all gonna hopelessly get slaughtered because Biden basically destroyed their air support and ran like a bitch, no. Don’t see what getting bin Ladin has to do with throwing away a 20 year investment in guaranteeing that country doesn’t turn into what it is now.



Donald had a plan to end that biden ignored in his rush to get out.

how should it have ended? do you really think we should keep sending our kids over there to die?
What’s the plan then? It should of ended with the status quo maintained over this non sense. Yes all volunteer army, it is worthwhile fight against some of the worst people imaginable, no matter what you think either we were doing good over there for the people of Afghanistan as well.
 

El Correcto

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Also you can’t judge a military asset by the fact it’s useless when hit by a Chinese nuclear bomb when we have these little things called ICBMs. Basically any military structure could be tagged from anywhere on the globe. Afghanistan was a valuable military asset to us and keeping it from turning into an unchecked hotbed of terrorism was big bonus to the world.
 

vantexan

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Al Qaeda and the Taliban are thick as thieves, so yes by siding with the aggressors of 9/11 they became America’s enemy. Their country became al Qaeda’s stronghold.
You keep repeating they won’t fight for themselves, they lost like 60,000 or some crazy number. You people are just stuck on stupid with this talking point. Are they all gonna hopelessly get slaughtered because Biden basically destroyed their air support and ran like a bitch, no. Don’t see what getting bin Ladin has to do with throwing away a 20 year investment in guaranteeing that country doesn’t turn into what it is now.
Do you honestly think after dealing with us for 20 years they're eager to provoke us militarily again? I know the Afghans lost a lot of men fighting them. But take away our air support and they turned and ran. You're very cavalier about our soldiers' lives. The Taliban wants their Muslim paradise in Afghanistan. Let them have it and only engage them if they start acting out outside their borders. If the Afghans find them too oppressive they can rise up.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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Everyone says this but a complete withdrawal of Afghanistan would be disastrous no matter what in the end. The only way you would succeed is by keeping their air force going, keeping contractors there, keeping intelligence assets there.
There is no full withdrawal that ends with the Taliban not regaining control eventually.
I don't believe Trump would have done a "complete withdrawal". He would have kept non combat air support and just spun that as a a withdrawal. The media would call him a liar and his base would have supported him.

Congressional testimony showed Biden went against military advisors when he withdrew even though the conditions of the agreement Trump made had been violated. Afghanistan didn't stand a chance without air support to advise their troops on the ground.
 

El Correcto

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Do you honestly think after dealing with us for 20 years they're eager to provoke us militarily again? I know the Afghans lost a lot of men fighting them. But take away our air support and they turned and ran. You're very cavalier about our soldiers' lives. The Taliban wants their Muslim paradise in Afghanistan. Let them have it and only engage them if they start acting out outside their borders. If the Afghans find them too oppressive they can rise up.
And you are very cavalier about having a dove foreign policy. Soldiers sign up to fight and die, throw in my face like I’m some uncaring ass if you want, but it’s my opinion Afghanistan was a just war and the nation building America was doing with our allies was the best path forward.
 

El Correcto

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I don't believe Trump would have done a "complete withdrawal". He would have kept non combat air support and just spun that as a a withdrawal. The media would call him a liar and his base would have supported him.

Congressional testimony showed Biden went against military advisors when he withdrew even though the conditions of the agreement Trump made had been violated. Afghanistan didn't stand a chance without air support to advise their troops on the ground.
I didn’t trust trump on this, I really do believe he would of if left unchecked. I trusted Pompeo and Bolton when it came to getting Trump away from this non sense.
 

El Correcto

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The military has had some high profile cases of corruption with military contractors. Signing off on rip off invoices defrauding the tax payers, stuff like that. They have also had a lot high profile take downs on people doing this kind of non sense, some getting long sentences.
If they were throwing the war effort for personal gain and a company was paying them to do that to all us….. I think they might still hang people in this country for that and if we don’t we should start.

It’s just such a wild accusation, not worth putting any weight on when discussing this.
 

vantexan

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And you are very cavalier about having a dove foreign policy. Soldiers sign up to fight and die, throw in my face like I’m some uncaring ass if you want, but it’s my opinion Afghanistan was a just war and the nation building America was doing with our allies was the best path forward.
Nation building? Surveys of the Afghan populace said that they didn't want us there. Totally corrupt government. It was a money pit that was costing lives. But hey, the defense contractors were making bank, Congressmen were getting big campaign contributions, and generals were getting set up for life when they retired. The world is no worse off with us gone but we sure are.
 

El Correcto

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Nation building? Surveys of the Afghan populace said that they didn't want us there. Totally corrupt government. It was a money pit that was costing lives. But hey, the defense contractors were making bank, Congressmen were getting big campaign contributions, and generals were getting set up for life when they retired. The world is no worse off with us gone but we sure are.
I respect your opinion on it. I don’t think your a bad person. There was definitely a lot of waste there, there were 7,000 servicemen dead, yes.

There was visible hope for Afghan people to establish self rule and determination, if they needed to be domesticated a bit might take a generation or two. But that’s all gone now.
 

fishtm2001

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Nation building? Surveys of the Afghan populace said that they didn't want us there. Totally corrupt government. It was a money pit that was costing lives. But hey, the defense contractors were making bank, Congressmen were getting big campaign contributions, and generals were getting set up for life when they retired. The world is no worse off with us gone but we sure are.
No mention of George W?
 
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