President Trump

Covemastah

Hoopah drives the boat Chief !!
Democracy isn’t real. Elections aren’t real. It’s all a big joke. Trump should have known this but he’s just a New York democrat. Franco had a falangist at the head of every single institution by the end of the first year of his rule. Trump is stupid and he will be arrested and murdered just like the communist scum did to the saints who are now in heaven, Nicholas II and his family.
Put away the bong and put down the video game controller , your moms calling you for dinner
 

BigGuy2732

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No, families brutally rose to the top and preserved their status through both setting themselves up as better than others and oppressing anyone who questioned that order. What ultimately changed things for the better for the common man was the industrial revolution and the rise of the middle class. Russia was slow to develop that way and as late as the early 1900's serfdom was still very much an institution there. That's most of the population living in dire poverty while the aristocracy enjoyed the fat of the land and their military enforcing that. A perfect storm for allowing smooth talkers like Lenin to convince the poor that Marxism would give them a much better life if they overthrew their aristocratic masters.

This is the most naive take. History isn’t as it was told to you. Families didn’t brutally rise to the top. It organically happened. The industrial Revolution has been a disaster for humanity. Technology and progress are racing faster than humans ability to control it. The common man didn’t rise up against the ruling families. It was always a fringe group of radicals who had some seriously large financial backing from whoever the opposition party was who wanted power. We just changed masters. Again, monarchy isn’t perfect, but it has a better chance of producing a good King than democracy has at producing one good representative or senator.
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BigGuy2732

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King St Louis IX would literally go and feed the poor, he had his own living quarters filled with the abject of society and would wash their feet and care for them as Christ would have done. Would whip himself and wear hair shirts in public processions through Paris, fought alongside his own men on in battle and on crusade. He banned usury and the taking of all loans with interest.

There has never been an elected US president with as much moral character because it simply cannot happen. St Louis IX was owned by no one but God. Presidents are owned by Israel.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
King St Louis IX would literally go and feed the poor, he had his own living quarters filled with the abject of society and would wash their feet and care for them as Christ would have done. Would whip himself and wear hair shirts in public processions through Paris, fought alongside his own men on in battle and on crusade. He banned usury and the taking of all loans with interest.

There has never been an elected US president with as much moral character because it simply cannot happen. St Louis IX was owned by no one but God. Presidents are owned by Israel.
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vantexan

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This is the most naive take. History isn’t as it was told to you. Families didn’t brutally rise to the top. It organically happened. The industrial Revolution has been a disaster for humanity. Technology and progress are racing faster than humans ability to control it. The common man didn’t rise up against the ruling families. It was always a fringe group of radicals who had some seriously large financial backing from whoever the opposition party was who wanted power. We just changed masters. Again, monarchy isn’t perfect, but it has a better chance of producing a good King than democracy has at producing one good representative or senator.
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Can you name a king who has been running a country in Europe in the last hundred years? You've romanticized the idea but European royalty have only been figureheads for a long time. And families did so rise brutally to the top. What does organically even mean? And buddy you wouldn't even be on a computer without the industrial revolution.
 

BigGuy2732

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Can you name a king who has been running a country in Europe in the last hundred years? You've romanticized the idea but European royalty have only been figureheads for a long time. And families did so rise brutally to the top. What does organically even mean? And buddy you wouldn't even be on a computer without the industrial revolution.

There are no more kings because the mercantile class purged them, because humanity is regressing and spiraling out of control. Organically means that it happened in a way that enabled the best of the best to be at the front. Humans are not equal.
 

BigGuy2732

Well-Known Member
Industrial Revolution happened, yea, that’s how I’m typing to you. It’s still a disaster. We live a Brave New World existence and the only chance at actually stopping it is from On High.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
There are no more kings because the mercantile class purged them, because humanity is regressing and spiraling out of control. Organically means that it happened in a way that enabled the best of the best to be at the front. Humans are not equal.
There are no more Kings because Christianity teaches we are all brothers. The hierarchy was revealed as fatally flawed.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
We are equal in dignity to God, and even then, He loves others more than He loves you. Which is why they were esteemed, eg Our Lady and St Joseph.

That sounds familiar.

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vantexan

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There are no more kings because the mercantile class purged them, because humanity is regressing and spiraling out of control. Organically means that it happened in a way that enabled the best of the best to be at the front. Humans are not equal.
You need to crack open some history books. The French Revolution, The Russian Revolution, the American Revolution, etc all happened because the best of the best wanted everything for themselves and the common folk struggled. We're seeing a new aristocracy forming today with wealth centered in fewer and fewer hands. Do you think that's the way it ought to be?
 

BigGuy2732

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You need to crack open some history books. The French Revolution, The Russian Revolution, the American Revolution, etc all happened because the best of the best wanted everything for themselves and the common folk struggled. We're seeing a new aristocracy forming today with wealth centered in fewer and fewer hands. Do you think that's the way it ought to be?

You don’t realize that those weren’t organic movements, or if they were, they were immediately co-opted by the people who benefitted from removing the old order. The history of the world is people having more than others. What happened in these revolutions was that some groups funded these popular movements to displace the old guard so they could get the control themselves. Those are the people now in power. They’re immoral and disgusting and usurious and vindictive people. They replaced an old order that at least tried to answer to a moral code. You’re the one that needs to read. You don’t even know the implications of these revolutions. Durr the little guy won that’s democracy! Yeah. We sure won.
 

vantexan

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You don’t realize that those weren’t organic movements, or if they were, they were immediately co-opted by the people who benefitted from removing the old order. The history of the world is people having more than others. What happened in these revolutions was that some groups funded these popular movements to displace the old guard so they could get the control themselves. Those are the people now in power. They’re immoral and disgusting and usurious and vindictive people. They replaced an old order that at least tried to answer to a moral code. You’re the one that needs to read. You don’t even know the implications of these revolutions. Durr the little guy won that’s democracy! Yeah. We sure won.
So you're saying the British should've remained in power? The French aristocracy? The Russian aristocracy? Wow. History is full of examples of one group having power but eventually lost their power to others who wanted the power and wealth. Usually because those in power were totally corrupt and decadent. And eventually those who won control were themselves usurped. But very few kings are remembered as noble and high minded. They were just men. Some expanded empires, some were kicked out. But the idea that they were somewhat better than what we have today comes up short. Anything concocted and run by men always comes up short. What we have today with people wanting to assert control and do away with the Constitution is just the latest in a long line of men wanting what others have. You're falling into the trap of believing there was a time when all was wonderful and noble beings made sure of it. Has never been the case. The idea of that is fantasy written in novels to provide escapism.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
So you're saying the British should've remained in power? The French aristocracy? The Russian aristocracy? Wow. History is full of examples of one group having power but eventually lost their power to others who wanted the power and wealth. Usually because those in power were totally corrupt and decadent. And eventually those who won control were themselves usurped. But very few kings are remembered as noble and high minded. They were just men. Some expanded empires, some were kicked out. But the idea that they were somewhat better than what we have today comes up short. Anything concocted and run by men always comes up short. What we have today with people wanting to assert control and do away with the Constitution is just the latest in a long line of men wanting what others have. You're falling into the trap of believing there was a time when all was wonderful and noble beings made sure of it. Has never been the case. The idea of that is fantasy written in novels to provide escapism.
He lives in a fantasy world so….
 

BigGuy2732

Well-Known Member
So you're saying the British should've remained in power? The French aristocracy? The Russian aristocracy? Wow. History is full of examples of one group having power but eventually lost their power to others who wanted the power and wealth. Usually because those in power were totally corrupt and decadent. And eventually those who won control were themselves usurped. But very few kings are remembered as noble and high minded. They were just men. Some expanded empires, some were kicked out. But the idea that they were somewhat better than what we have today comes up short. Anything concocted and run by men always comes up short. What we have today with people wanting to assert control and do away with the Constitution is just the latest in a long line of men wanting what others have. You're falling into the trap of believing there was a time when all was wonderful and noble beings made sure of it. Has never been the case. The idea of that is fantasy written in novels to provide escapism.

Monarchy and aristocracy have their claws, I don’t look back with rose tinted glasses. Times are always trouble, this is a fallen world. I am saying it is the best government and societal order. This is what Plato, Aristotle, St Thomas Aquinas and many of the other smartest men and moral theologians who’ve ever lived believe also.
 

vantexan

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Monarchy and aristocracy have their claws, I don’t look back with rose tinted glasses. Times are always trouble, this is a fallen world. I am saying it is the best government and societal order. This is what Plato, Aristotle, St Thomas Aquinas and many of the other smartest men and moral theologians who’ve ever lived believe also.
Those men lived in a different time and didn't have a grasp of what it takes to govern a world with almost 8 billion people.
 
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