New Englander
Well-Known Member
Were not every ones stops down because of the storm. Stop using that stupid attack. OBVIOUSLY if every drivers stops per hour are down. There is nothing to worry about.
Production termination!
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Were not every ones stops down because of the storm. Stop using that stupid attack. OBVIOUSLY if every drivers stops per hour are down. There is nothing to worry about.
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
I believe the last part was a joke.
But, RED is trying to say instead of putting in extra routes, they just stuffed it on the regular routes to save a dime. Now RED will be filing grievances for all the drivers that had excessive overtime for the week because of the move. So they will actually have to pay more regardless.
705red
Browncafe Steward
Its a perfect example, in this case this center was a "poor production" center. Yet the steward was singled out to be made an example of. If your management who better to make an example of? Especially when your not very well liked by the union.
If it happened there, do not think that it will not happen any were else, perfects conditions or not!
Man have you been brainwashed! Do you sleep in your browns, cuddled with a model of your package car dreaming of the perfect world at ups that only you appear to work in?
trplnkl
555
Of course we do not know one way or the other, Red probably doesn't even know. On the days the terminated driver/steward was down 3 SPORH (we still don't know for sure details on this), how many other drivers were down a similar amount?
Wrong on two points, 1. it isn't stupid, it is a very valid point that things happen from day to day that can change your SPORH. Some more drastically than others. 2. It's not an attack, it is simply bringing up pertinent information.
City Driver
Well-Known Member
im a freight driver and they cant say a word about production rates to us
trplnkl
555
yet.
brownIEman
Well-Known Member
that paragraph shows nothing of the kind. I have delivered during peak, I have ridden on trace rides, and trained drivers on EDD and explained how PAS works. I understand that drivers are human beings, and on every ride I have ever done, I have followed the contract and treated the people I worked with with dignity and respect, and for the most part I received the same treatment. I understand the job is difficult, and I do not try to pretend I could do it as well as most drivers.
I understand they are people. I also understand that they are the highest paid people in their profession and they need to be held to a much higher standard than the rest of the people in their industry or this company will go the way of DHL and wind up laying off the vast majority of them.
I would bet good money that I understand the job of a driver a great deal better than you understand the job of an IE sup.
brownIEman
Well-Known Member
What does that section of the contract have to do with a driver who is not giving a fair days work every day deciding to actually follow the contract because he learns he may be fired for failing to?
brownIEman
Well-Known Member
On over/under and methods, I have no idea, I was not there.
Could he do it again tomorrow? Of course not. Are you going to claim 10 years after you retire that you could still go out any given day cold and deliver a route as well as your best day?
Look, my point was that many people in management, even IE, have been there and done that. Many folks on this board want to try to claim that all management should just STFU about driver production because all magmnt do not understand the drivers job. For a company that promotes from within as much as UPS does, this is simply not true.
tieguy
Banned
I asked the question as to what the guy was doing to cause him to consisently drop 3 stops an hour. The measurement was very fair it was his peformance that he demonstrated over a three day period. As such he should have been able to duplicate that same peformance at least one day in the next two or three months he worked. He never duplicated the same peformance nor did he ever come anywhere close to it. Yet he was able to perform when the sup watched everything he did for three days. thus the question what was the guy doing to miss the mark by that much. UPS did not cause the guy to go out and slow down that much. He did thus the question what was he doing when unsupervised that he was not doing when supervised.
City Driver
Well-Known Member
we are not employees to them, not human beings like them...we are numbers in a computer and on reports
stevetheupsguy
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tieguy
Banned
City Driver
Well-Known Member
you were expecting "them" to give you a warm hug and pat on the bottom?
nope, not at all...just sayin, production rates is all management really cares about
tieguy
Banned
how were you able to determine that when you previously stated that management was not allowed to say anthing to you about production?
City Driver
Well-Known Member
hey if they do they do, i got nothin to worry about
but its different for us, we arent in and out of our truck every 3-5 minutes like you package car drivers....the only way to make production rate in a freight truck would be if theres no traffic basically
City Driver
Well-Known Member
because they still do, only at the pre shift meetings and never to any one person, they only tell us what our production has been lately but we really dont even listen to it, theres not much u can do about it
and because thats all any management at any company cares about
tieguy
Banned
now who says management cant say anything to you about production? are you under some type of contract. Hows it worded?
City Driver
Well-Known Member
i said cant, that doesnt mean they dont
tieguy
Banned
yep thats what I was wondering about. What says they cant. Do you have some type of contract language that prevents it? If so then how can I get my hands on a copy of your contract?
