Progression question

[Sean1692]

Sorry I know this has been asked before but no one had a clear answer so I was hired May 10 2013 as a full time driver and am currently on the 3 year progression from the old contract. My question is when the new contract is ratified will I jump up to the new contract rates for example after my 1st year I will be paid less under the current contract then a casual driver. I know the progression rate is shorter but isn't there something in the contract that says new hires won't make more then senority drivers.. Thanks in advance

 

[Anonymous 11]

Yes you will get the best of both contracts.

 

[Sean1692]

K thanks for the reply!!

 

[barnyard]

snikker

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

I was hired in September after months of working as a seasonal driver. So I get screwed. Even though it's 6 months after I was hired and we don't have a signed contract yet, the union will make the 4 year progression retroactive to August 1st. Retroactive pay reduction is illegal and I was told verbally by management that I would be at full scale after 3 years. This is a binding verbal agreement. However they'll still force me to take the 4 year progression and I'll lose $20,000. Funny how a company making record profits gets to take 25%of pay away from new hires for a year.

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[barnyard]

So if the contract was in effect, you would be getting lower pay now AND a 4 year progression.

Have to look at the bright side there sport.

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

There is no bright side. The old contract is in effect, and I'm making very little money. Sure, I get a raise when the new contract goes in effect, but it's pennies. The second progression is 25cents higher than the old contract while everybody else has a $4 increase. It's a case of nobody giving a crap about drivers hired recently and seasonal and part timers soon to be full time.

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[cosmo1]

.....I was told verbally by management that I would be at full scale after 3 years. This is a binding verbal agreement.....

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Wut?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

A binding verbal agreement is only as good as the paper it is written on.

 

[PT Car Washer]

There is no bright side. The old contract is in effect, and I'm making very little money. Sure, I get a raise when the new contract goes in effect, but it's pennies. The second progression is 25cents higher than the old contract while everybody else has a $4 increase. It's a case of nobody giving a crap about drivers hired recently and seasonal and part timers soon to be full time.

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Nobody cares because seasonal and PTers don't vote.

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

Exactly.... but hundreds of employees hired after August 1st do vote. I don't think that UPS and the union anticipated the contract taking so long. But you hit it on the head , they give the full scale drivers a decent raise and hope they carry the vote.

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[3 done 3 to go]

I was hired in September after months of working as a seasonal driver. So I get screwed. Even though it's 6 months after I was hired and we don't have a signed contract yet, the union will make the 4 year progression. retroactive to August 1st. Retroactive pay reduction is illegal and I was told verbally by management that I would be at full scale after 3 years. This is a binding verbal agreement. However they'll still force me to take the 4 year progression and I'll lose $20,000. Funny how a company making record profits gets to take 25%of pay away from new hires for a year.

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Well took me 10 years to full time from a casual. No vacation, sick time or rover days. When I got to go full time. I was dropped down in hourly pay 3 dollars. So I really don't think your whining about a lousy 4 yrs. Is worth your post
Me

 

[PT Car Washer]

Nobody cares because seasonal and PTers don't vote.

Actually I was being sarcastic. If the old timers don't learn to take care of the new guys coming in it could turn around and bite them.

 

[3 done 3 to go]

Actually I was being sarcastic. If the old timers don't learn to take care of the new guys coming in it could turn around and bite them.

It did already -- retirees got screwed. Only cause they cant vote. Part timers just don't vote. They screw themselves every contract

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

Wow, what a selfish jerk. Why should any UPS'ers care about any of your concerns with that kind of attitude? This is a union, and being part of a brotherhood.

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[Addison Feeder Driver]

By the way '' 10 2 go'', I have been a life long Teamster and have gone through progression twice before this. I also went through concessions and lost vacation, pension time, and 5% of my salary. So really your 10 years don't mean a damn thing to me. This isn't about me, it's about everybody effected by this lousy contract.

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[PT Car Washer]

By the way '' 10 2 go'', I have been a life long Teamster and have gone through progression twice before this. I also went through concessions and lost vacation, pension time, and 5% of my salary. So really your 10 years don't mean a damn thing to me. This isn't about me, it's about everybody effected by this lousy contract.

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Even PTers making barely above minimum wage for a few hours a day and no benefits?

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

The part timers are getting screwed too. I mentioned this contract is bad for casuals, part timers, new hires, and seasonal employees. So that's maybe 70% of UPS.

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[baklava]

Yes you will get the best of both contracts.

…and I'm presuming retro pay for the difference? $18.75 - $17.25 = $1.50/hr ($2.25 OT). I asked this same question a couple of months ago and never got a real answer.

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

Jordanovich you are correct. You get a $1.50 raise the first year. The second year you get a whole 25 cents over the old rate. The old contract was $20.75 and the new contract is $21. I hope you didn't vote Yes.

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