clean hairy
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Abuse of the elderly possibly?
Puff piece to get some scabs for the strike
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I don't think it's that.
My guess is he just felt they did not belong here.
But as usual there was an exception to the rule for him
In his own mind
Trucker Clock
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Superteeth2478
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Have to admit that I didn't read all 16 pages of this thread, but surely someone has pointed this out: Although a strike would hurt both sides, a lot, I think it's safe to say that it'll hurt UPS more. UPS Teamsters make up, last figure I saw, about 350,000 members. That's about 25% of the approximately 1.4 million Teamsters.
The Teamsters can always get more members, especially in this political climate where even places like Starbucks and Amazon are beginning to unionize.
UPS, on the other hand, will have to deal with the repercussions of a strike for a long time, potentially until it becomes a shadow of what it currently is. Amazon and FedEx will cannibalize a lot of accounts if UPS has to deal with a nationwide strike again like in 1997. The current IBT leadership has a ton of leverage this time around.
While UPS does have the argument that they will potentially break the union by locking out the members and going about their own way, The IBT has the argument that even if UPS does that they're still going to be
ed in the long run. Hard. Much harder than in 1997 when Amazon didn't even exist as a delivery service and FedEx didn't control as much of the share of logistics business.
There's really no reason that this contract shouldn't be toeing the fine line between asking for too much and asking for just enough. At the end of the day I'm certain UPS knows it can afford a strike even less than the IBT can.
The Teamsters can always get more members, especially in this political climate where even places like Starbucks and Amazon are beginning to unionize.
UPS, on the other hand, will have to deal with the repercussions of a strike for a long time, potentially until it becomes a shadow of what it currently is. Amazon and FedEx will cannibalize a lot of accounts if UPS has to deal with a nationwide strike again like in 1997. The current IBT leadership has a ton of leverage this time around.
While UPS does have the argument that they will potentially break the union by locking out the members and going about their own way, The IBT has the argument that even if UPS does that they're still going to be
ed in the long run. Hard. Much harder than in 1997 when Amazon didn't even exist as a delivery service and FedEx didn't control as much of the share of logistics business.There's really no reason that this contract shouldn't be toeing the fine line between asking for too much and asking for just enough. At the end of the day I'm certain UPS knows it can afford a strike even less than the IBT can.
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Have to admit that I didn't read all 16 pages of this thread, but surely someone has pointed this out: Although a strike would hurt both sides, a lot, I think it's safe to say that it'll hurt UPS more. UPS Teamsters make up, last figure I saw, about 350,000 members. That's about 25% of the approximately 1.4 million Teamsters.
The Teamsters can always get more members, especially in this political climate where even places like Starbucks and Amazon are beginning to unionize.
UPS, on the other hand, will have to deal with the repercussions of a strike for a long time, potentially until it becomes a shadow of what it currently is. Amazon and FedEx will cannibalize a lot of accounts if UPS has to deal with a nationwide strike again like in 1997. The current IBT leadership has a ton of leverage this time around.
While UPS does have the argument that they will potentially break the union by locking out the members and going about their own way, The IBT has the argument that even if UPS does that they're still going to be
There's really no reason that this contract shouldn't be toeing the fine line between asking for too much and asking for just enough. At the end of the day I'm certain UPS knows it can afford a strike even less than the IBT can.
UPS drivers threatening to strike; could hurt virtually every American
August 4, 1997, probably doesn't stand out as a significant day in world history. But some would disagree.
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Have to admit that I didn't read all 16 pages of this thread, but surely someone has pointed this out: Although a strike would hurt both sides, a lot, I think it's safe to say that it'll hurt UPS more. UPS Teamsters make up, last figure I saw, about 350,000 members. That's about 25% of the approximately 1.4 million Teamsters.
The Teamsters can always get more members, especially in this political climate where even places like Starbucks and Amazon are beginning to unionize.
UPS, on the other hand, will have to deal with the repercussions of a strike for a long time, potentially until it becomes a shadow of what it currently is. Amazon and FedEx will cannibalize a lot of accounts if UPS has to deal with a nationwide strike again like in 1997. The current IBT leadership has a ton of leverage this time around.
While UPS does have the argument that they will potentially break the union by locking out the members and going about their own way, The IBT has the argument that even if UPS does that they're still going to be
There's really no reason that this contract shouldn't be toeing the fine line between asking for too much and asking for just enough. At the end of the day I'm certain UPS knows it can afford a strike even less than the IBT can.
The very thought about a “Lock Out” is and has been never part part of the equalization.
It will be business as usual..most of us already know that this and every other contract prior has been calculated 5 to 10 years by both sides. That is why the infamous 2018 was predestined to by ratify where we voted or not, the big deal was agreed to in the 2013 contract.
Starting wage will be over 20 an hour for the part timers, Full timers will probably start out at 25. A big win for the Union will be reducing that 4 year progression, the 22.4 positions can be absorbed into the RPCD’s. If they were used as driving/inside as intended that classification might hang around.
Generally the wage and benefit each year if the contract increases 2 bucks an hour. Half to our Healthcare and Pension the rest to our GWI. The monetary contributions going into our Health and Welfare packages is more than sufficient to maintain or improve our current coverages. The big issue will be our pension contributions or lack of...bottom line is there is plenty of money out there to provide a good pension for every member...the real problem is that the company does not want to share their massive profits to the people that are providing their services.
In most areas the 25 and out early retirement is just a pipe dream... the (attrition) rate guarantees that most of the newer and some of the older veterans will never by able to collect, some will leave on permanent disability, some will quit before they are eligible for benefits. Very few will reach that 25 year formula... face it the wear and tear is not going to improve, in fact it is getting worse with the increasing work schedules.
What'dyabringmetoday???
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Yeah- the not getting AC. But the giving stuff up part is business as usual. Lol.
Superteeth2478
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Exactly, UPS would be silly to do a lockout. Even if half of the membership scabs, that's still 175,000 workers to replace. It's just not doable.
