Relief of overtime grievances

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by yonnko, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. yonnko

    yonnko Member

    How is everybody making out with their relief of Overtime grievances?
  2. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

  3. browniehound

    browniehound Well-Known Member

    I didn't sign the list because I want OT before my shift. I'm on the EAM/pre-load call-in list. When either operation needs help they call us in seniority order. I get the call 2-3 times per week and on these days I can't work past 715 because I would be over 12 hours. This is reason enough to put your name on the list. I say this because once I get called in I KNOW I will be off the clock by 715 and I can't get this affirmation any other way!.

    Roughly 65-70% of my center signed to "Opt Out" of 9.5 hours. Our center manager didn't like this. One driver who happens to be a cover driver signed the list. Now he thinks the center manager is out to get him because which ever route he does, he is always in "the red"

    The cover driver's argument doesn't fly because when the dispatch is planned he can't be factored into it because we never know what route he will do.

    My conclusion is that he has terrible luck and is always stuck with a heavy dispatch. I also think he wines too much. During the summer, everyone was overdispatched because of 4-5 routes being cut. He thought he was the only one getting hammered and WE HEARD about it!

    I think the truth exists somewhere in the middle.
  4. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS


    Yes, to some degree the cover/utility driver can be figured in. Even if the driver is fairly new the rest of the cover/utility drivers have an established pattern. The sups (assuming they are paying attention) will know what drivers are going to take what rtes. By a process of elimination sups can determine where this driver will likely end up. Even if it means calling the cover before start time (my sups do this on occasion).
    It is not 100% accurate by any means but it is a possibility that the driver you are talking about is being set-up. I will probably get called out on this by you-know-who but it is still a definate possibility.

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    The management person dispatching the work is well aware of the staffing for the day. Usually the staffing is not finished until 45 minutes before start times, but for the most part a pre-bookoff staffing list is done every night before management goes home. They are well aware of the incoming volume, so they make sure routes are added/cut depending on the volume.
    If he knows you are a runner, he wont pull a last minute add/cut on your route. If you are heading the route on the blind, they are more apt to cut some residential off the car so you are not overwhelmed.
    What kills me the most is that even when a whole town/city is in the red, they still won't put an extra route in to help the drivers. They will accept 5 over 10's anyday of the week before they accept 6 8.5 hr routes.
  6. feeder53

    feeder53 ADKtrails

    I believe they should keep more people on as they will be up to speed as the busy season approaches and keep the OT to a minimum, but I also know that it is cheaper to have one work overtime so as not to have to pay another set of benefits. I would like to know how much it costs to train a person and have them leave and then start over. UPS must have the numbers on this.
  7. Mike Hawk

    Mike Hawk New Member

    When you opt in to 9.5 you have the option of filing, it doesn't happen automatically, so you can opt in and tell them you wont be filing grievances so you can keep doing extra work, and have the option of relief later. Also, according to my BA extra work you volunteer for does not count towards triple time(1 hour preload and 9 hours on road does not get you any triple time or qualify for a grievance).
  8. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    I'm not allowed to go out with less than a 10.5 hour dispatch. My boss (the wife) won't allow it.
  9. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    I think his point may have been that the preload person setting up the next days dispatch plan may not have known what route the cover driver would be covering.
  10. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    This must be a local agreement with the union and company, the contract makes no mention of this. However it sure wouldn't be right to volunteering for OT, then filing a grievance sure doesn't make any sense.
  11. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Feeder you had better stop making sense, they will hunt you down and eliminate you.
  12. scoutjumper

    scoutjumper New Member

    The best way to stop going over 9.5, I believe is to work hard,do the methods, take your hour lunch, and keep you nose clean, and then let the chips fall where they may. As cost consequence as managment is if you keep going over 9.5 they will take work off of you. If not use your O.T. to pay off debt or save in case there is hard times ahead. Find your stops per hour and stick to it every hour every day. Maybe I am naive. This will take some time but be patient and consistent. No matter how many stops they give you stick to your stops per hour regardless.
  13. helenofcalifornia

    helenofcalifornia Well-Known Member

    Someone at our center mentioned that there is no minimum/maximum stop count on trucks that go out these days. I looked around the office for the posted paper that broke down all routes to what their min/max was supposed to be and it had vanished.

    Again, I feel sorry for the new drivers that will never even have an inkling of what the old UPS was like to drive for.
  14. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Right now we are still under double time language until our contract gets ratified, but they pay out all the 9.5 grievances. I file over a half dozen a week in my center alone and have alot of drivers waiting to start filing until the triple time kicks in. I cant wait for next monday after the ballots get counted, cha-ching!
  15. Dragon

    Dragon Package Center Manager

    scoutjumper you said a mouthfull brother.....
  16. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    I've been doing this for a long time but so many other drivers continue to run and drive like maniacs and skip their lunch in order to get more bonus and look good on the "O.R." These guys are the same ones that bitch and moan about how the min/max numbers keep going up. They just don't get it. They don't even realize that they are helping justify why management raises the min/max numbers.

    Many of us have been getting an over 9.5 early in the week just about every week for the past month or so and management stresses out over trying to keep us all under. We receive phone calls and messages asking us to please try and stay under 9.5 but come friday we are totally screwed (even more so than a normal friday) and we don't here a peep out of them. I'm moving at the same speed each and every day and am not going to risk injuries and accidents by trying to meet the ridiculous standards set forth by a computer and bean counters that don't have a clue what is really going on out there.
  17. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    To answer the OP's question, as of right now I have 7 pending O/9.5 grievances filed. They are going to National Committee early next month. UP$ is trying to weasel out of paying them. They are saying that extended runs with alot of miles don't qualify and in town routes with large count pick up pieces don't either.

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    It just goes to show you, that UPS won't follow the contract. We've talked about at length what the teamsters gave up for this contract because of the Central bailout. And the one thing added to the contract, they force it to go to a panel.
    Even my center has not put out the 9.5 opt-in/opt-out list, they are fighting it like we screwed them at the bargaining table. Don't you think their lawyers mentioned to them they might have to add some routes at each center to reach this ?????