Religion

[BrownArmy]

i think star wars a new hope's han solo is an accurate representation of canada's and especially american peoples total cynicism in doing any political struggle to bring heaven on earth even though ironically many people are "religious".

here are some quotes:

Luke Skywalker: She's rich.

Han Solo: [interested] Rich?

Luke Skywalker: Rich, powerful. Listen, if you were to rescue her, the reward would be...

Han Solo: What?

Luke Skywalker: Well, more wealth than you can imagine!

Han Solo: I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit.
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Han Solo: Look, Your Worshipfulness, let's get one thing straight. I take orders from just one person: me.

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Princess Leia Organa: It's not over yet.

Han Solo: It is for me, sister. Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money.

Princess Leia Organa: You needn't worry about your reward. If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive.

[to Luke]

Princess Leia Organa: Your friend is quite the mercenary. I wonder if he really cares about anything. Or anybody.

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Han Solo: Marching into a detention area is not what I had in mind.

Luke Skywalker: But they're gonna kill her!

Han Solo: Better her than me!

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Luke Skywalker: So. You got your reward and you're just leaving, then?

Han Solo: That's right, yeah. Got some old debts I gotta pay off with this stuff. Even if I didn't, you don't think I'd be fool enough to stick around here, do you? Why don't you come with us? You're pretty good in a fight. We could use you.

Luke Skywalker: Come on. Why don't you take a look around. You know what's about to happen, what they're up against. They could use a good pilot like you, you're turning your back on them.

Han Solo: What good is a reward if you ain't around to use it? Besides, attacking that battle station is not my idea of courage. It's more like, suicide.

Luke Skywalker: [angry] Okay. Take care of yourself Han. I guess that's what you're best at isn't it?

You're killing me Smalls.

 

[rickyb]

You're killing me Smalls.

ill quote some cornel west too because he talks alot about this and hes very religious.

north americans arent quite as bad as han solo because they are not to the level of smuggling drugs or comparable.

 

[rickyb]

so i was listening to noam chomsky and he said the first 3 centuries of christianity was described as a radical pacifist religion. sympathetic to the poor.

 

[Catatonic]

so i was listening to noam chomsky and he said the first 3 centuries of christianity was described as a radical pacifist religion. sympathetic to the poor.

Things change with time.

 

[wayfair]

so i was listening to noam chomsky and he said the first 3 centuries of christianity was described as a radical pacifist religion. sympathetic to the poor.

what did you're Mom say? and what religion is she?

 

[BrownArmy]

Things change with time.

I read that two ways.

One, Christanity changes.

Two, Ricky Bobby himself might change his views once he's older.

Or not.

Heck, weren't we all young and dumb at one point?

 

[Catatonic]

Heck, weren't we all young and dumb at one point?

but not equally.

Yuuuup!

 

[Turdferguson]

Heck, weren't we all young and dumb at one point?

Some are old and dumb.

Yuuuup!

 

[rickyb]

he cross was a symbol of unarmed truth and unconditional love, and a love that always took the form of the struggle for justice. - cornel west

 

[rickyb]

Faces of Pain, Faces of Hope

The message of the consumer society, pumped out over flat screen televisions, computers and smartphones, to those trapped at the bottom of society is loud and unrelenting: You are a failure. Popular culture celebrates those who wallow in power, wealth and self-obsession and perpetuates the lie that if you work hard and are clever you too can become a “success,” perhaps landing on “American Idol” or “Shark Tank.” You too can invent Facebook. You too can become a sports or Hollywood icon. You too can rise to be a titan. The vast disparity between the glittering world that people watch and the bleak world they inhabit creates a collective schizophrenia that manifests itself in our diseases of despair—suicides, addictions, mass shootings, hate crimes and depression. Our oppressors have skillfully acculturated us to blame ourselves for our oppression.

Hope means walking away from the illusion that you will be the next Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Kim Kardashian. It means rejecting the lust for public adulation and popular validation. It means turning away from the maniacal creation of a persona, an activity that defines presence on social media. It means searching for something else—a life of meaning, purpose and, ultimately, dignity.

The bottomless narcissism and hunger of consumer culture cause our darkest and most depraved pathologies. It is not by building pathetic, tiny monuments to ourselves that we become autonomous and free human beings; it is through acts of self-sacrifice, by recovering a sense of humility, by affirming the sanctity of others and thereby the sanctity of ourselves. Those who fight against the sicknesses, whether squatting in old warehouses, camped out at Zuccotti Park or Standing Rock or locked in prisons, have discovered that life is measured by infinitesimal and often unseen acts of solidarity and kindness. These acts of kindness, like the nearly invisible strands of a spider’s web, slowly spin outward to connect our atomized and alienated souls to the souls of others. The good, as Daniel Berrigan told me, draws to it the good. This belief—held although we may never see empirical proof—is profoundly transformative. But know this: When these acts are carried out on behalf of the oppressed and the demonized, when compassion defines the core of our lives, when we understand that justice is a manifestation of this solidarity, even love, we are marginalized and condemned by the authoritarian or totalitarian state.

Those who resist effectively will not negate the coming economic decline, the mounting political dysfunction, the collapse of empire, the ecological disasters from climate change, and the many other bitter struggles that lie ahead. Rather, they draw from their acts of kindness the strength and courage to endure. And it will be from their relationships—ones formed the way all genuine relationships form, face to face rather than electronically—that radical organizations will be created to resist. - chris hedges

 

[rickyb]

He died for our debts, not our sins


“When you have a massive build up of debt that can’t be paid, either you wipe out the debt and start-over like Germany did during ‘the 1947 Miracle‘ when the Allies forgave all its debts except for minimum balances, or you let the creditors foreclose as Obama did in America after the 2008 crisis and 10 million American families lost their homes to foreclosure,” he said.

“If you leave this wealth in place then it’s going to stifle society with debt deflation.

“Today’s world believes in the sanctity of debt. But from Sumer and Babylonia through the Bible, it was debt cancellations that were sacred.”

“If you want to be like Jesus then you become political and you realise that this is the same fight that has been going on for thousands of years, across civilisation – the attempt of society to cope with the fact that debts grow faster than the ability to pay,” he says.
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The Ten Commandments were about debt
....

The economist says Jesus was crucified for his views on debt. Crucifixion being a punishment reserved especially for political dissidents.

“To understand the crucifixion of Jesus is to understand it was his punishment for his economic views,” says Professor Hudson. “He was a threat to the creditors.”

Jesus Christ was a socialist activist for the continuity of regular debt jubilees that were considered essential to the wellbeing of ancient economies.

 

[Non sequitur]

Forgiveness of anything is a noble act. Jesus is God and his kingdom was not of this world.

 

[Sportello]

Forgiveness of anything is a noble act. Jesus is God and his kingdom was not of this world.

So, the opposite of tRUmp in every way?

 

[Non sequitur]

Liberals want to feed the poor which is a noble goal. Conservatives wish to teach men how to fish. Leftist deny reality, the human condition, and end up making things worse. We're all learning until our end. This is our common bond, students in the school of life. Earth school if you will.

 

[floridays]

He died for our debts, not our sins


“When you have a massive build up of debt that can’t be paid, either you wipe out the debt and start-over like Germany did during ‘the 1947 Miracle‘ when the Allies forgave all its debts except for minimum balances, or you let the creditors foreclose as Obama did in America after the 2008 crisis and 10 million American families lost their homes to foreclosure,” he said.

“If you leave this wealth in place then it’s going to stifle society with debt deflation.

“Today’s world believes in the sanctity of debt. But from Sumer and Babylonia through the Bible, it was debt cancellations that were sacred.”

“If you want to be like Jesus then you become political and you realise that this is the same fight that has been going on for thousands of years, across civilisation – the attempt of society to cope with the fact that debts grow faster than the ability to pay,” he says.
...
The Ten Commandments were about debt
....

The economist says Jesus was crucified for his views on debt. Crucifixion being a punishment reserved especially for political dissidents.

“To understand the crucifixion of Jesus is to understand it was his punishment for his economic views,” says Professor Hudson. “He was a threat to the creditors.”

Jesus Christ was a socialist activist for the continuity of regular debt jubilees that were considered essential to the wellbeing of ancient economies.

Your correct, Jesus did die for our debts. Our debts were to God and the "currency" was and is sin. Jesus paid our sin debt to God the Father.
2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[floridays]

he cross was a symbol of unarmed truth and unconditional love, and a love that always took the form of the struggle for justice. - cornel west

The Book of Cornel West was excluded from my Holy Scriptures.

 

[rickyb]

The Book of Cornel West was excluded from my Holy Scriptures.

time to read up then!

 

[rickyb]

Your correct, Jesus did die for our debts. Our debts were to God and the "currency" was and is sin. Jesus paid our sin debt to God the Father.
2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

i dont know too much about the bible. david graeber also agrees with michael hudson, and wrote the book ``debt, the first 5000 years``

more from that article:


The economist told Renegade Inc the Lord’s Prayer, ‘forgive us our sins even as we forgive all who are indebted to us’, refers specifically to debt.

“Most religious leaders say that Christianity is all about sin, not debt,” he says. “But actually, the word for sin and debt is the same in almost every language.”

“‘Schuld’, in German, means ‘debt’ as well as ‘offense’ or, ‘sin’. It’s ‘devoir’ in French. It had the same duality in meaning in the Babylonian language of Akkadian.”

Professor Michael Hudson has achieved near complete consensus with the assyriologists & biblical scholars that the Bible is preoccupied with debt, not sin.
The idea harks back to the concept of ‘wergeld’, which existed in parts of Europe and Babylonia, and set the value of a human life based on their rank, paid as compensation to the family of someone who has been injured or killed.

“The payment – the Schuld or obligation – expiates you of the injury caused by the offense,” Dr Hudson said.

 

[floridays]

time to read up then!

Sure thing fella, I'll be testable on West BS in a week. That racist, affirmative action, illiterate is so stupid I'd be surprised if he could feed himself with a shoe horn.

 

[rickyb]

Sure thing fella, I'll be testable on West BS in a week. That racist, affirmative action, illiterate is so stupid I'd be surprised if he could feed himself with a shoe horn.

cornel west reminds me of jesus