Sarah Palin--Disagree must you Destroy ?
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island1fox
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"Many said that also before our first Black President was elected ...."
You mean 1/2 black, don't you ???
moreluck,
You are absolutely right. I stand corrected !!
island1fox
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Brett, if you want us to believe your an expert in history as well, you got to try harder. The land has been in turmoil and ruled by various empires thrughout history. Latest land barons were the British who had originally promised the land to their Arab allies who helped defeat the Ottoman empire, afterwards, the British also committed the same land to persecuted Jewish settlers as well. The British, stuck between a rock and a hard place, decided to partition the country..With the success of the state of Israel, and their military dominance, they took it amongst themselves, against Geneva accords, to ilegally expand, and have not stopped since. Which compounds the problems of the Middle East.
Or, as some of you like to say, the land belongs to Israel, because God said so. He spoke to told Abraham over 2000 years ago....so it must be true...
BTW Palestinians and Jews are genetically closer to each other than either is to the Arabs of Arabia or to Europeans of Europe.
Point taken, ethics ands moral action should return to men and his loads should be dropped in little latex bags....Go USC....
More, the GOP braintrust put VP candidate Palin out on a pedalstal knowing she would get buried on the issues. She opened a can of worms accusing Obama of "Paling around with Terrorist", being a socialist, and many other un-truths, while pretending she's living the moral high ground while the banjos of deliverance are playing in Alaska within her own family. Lets not pretend there's not a double standard here. Obama's and his family has been visciously attack as well, not to mention a TV News Network is in the tank with rt wing factions with seeing the current President fails.
I rec'v e-mails and mailing's from the Obama camp. Not one of them has Sarah Palin's name on it or has been concern with her. Let you in on a little secret, Obama's people have been continually sending out E-mails for donations before and after day one of his presidency. Nothing new there buddy, so keep trying, someone out there's bound to buy your spin....Martha called Palin dangerous knowing one of her beligerent followers are liable to do something stupid and cause harm to others.....
But Martha Stewart has the Capital to say what ever she wants. And people listen....In fact Martha has better command of the issues than Sarah....lol
Typical ex-Republican that calls himself an Independent reponse---putting words into one's mouth as usual .....no one's pretending it does not exist, however this is not the thread to debate it. Their are other threads with topics of abortion which I aviod cause there's no reasoning with anti-choicers.....They still can't get passed calling embryos and fetuses inside the Mothers's womb, children....
Diesel,
Sorry my Liberal friend. I seemed to have missed all the other Abortion threads you speak of. But since I began this thread concerning all the reasons I believe the Liberal's are trying to destroy this woman --whether you personally agree or not --Abortion debate is very much a part of this thread. No one is forcing you to respond . Seems you are pretty good at the various names you use to describe life. I guess you are alright with a "embryo or Fetus" cringing in the mothers womb as the abortion instrument heads toward its heart or head --but I guess the heart or head of a fetus does not exist -- even though you can count their fingers and toes and can tell what sex they are ? So when a doctor tells the expectant Mother that her Baby is a healthy little boy ,with a good heart beat and little hands and fingers ---none of that exists in your Liberal free choice world. Everyone is welcome in the Liberal tent ---I do not think so ---As tieguy stated ---you were once a fetus ---were you dead then ?
D
Dis-organized Labor
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Diesel,
Sorry my Liberal friend. I seemed to have missed all the other Abortion threads you speak of. But since I began this thread concerning all the reasons I believe the Liberal's are trying to destroy this woman --whether you personally agree or not --Abortion debate is very much a part of this thread. No one is forcing you to respond . Seems you are pretty good at the various names you use to describe life. I guess you are alright with a "embryo or Fetus" cringing in the mothers womb as the abortion instrument heads toward its heart or head --but I guess the heart or head of a fetus does not exist -- even though you can count their fingers and toes and can tell what sex they are ? So when a doctor tells the expectant Mother that her Baby is a healthy little boy ,with a good heart beat and little hands and fingers ---none of that exists in your Liberal free choice world. Everyone is welcome in the Liberal tent ---I do not think so ---As tieguy stated ---you were once a fetus ---were you dead then ?
This almost makes you cry
IMHO life is a continuous cycle, it neither ends at death nor begins at conception, and therefore any point that gets picked out along the way as "the moment when life begins" is going to be arbitrary and reflect your own beliefs. That's fine and I have no problem with it, as long you remember that it's your belief and not necessarily anyone else's. I have nothing but the highest respect for a victim of rape or incest who chooses to carry her child to term because it's consistent with her own beliefs about the sanctity of life. But no victim of said crimes should be forced, by the state, to bear the child of her attacker because of someone else's religious beliefs.
tieguy
Banned
4 years is a long way off from now. The country will have pulled out of a recession by then, the gdp will have grown each quarter by 3% since this quarter, the banking industry will have fully recovered, the housing market will have stabilized, we will have pulled out of IRAQ and Afghanistan, unemployment will be down and the country will be better off than when BUSH and the republicans doomed the country from 2000 to 2008.
Now, how exactly will the republicans be able to win the White House??
Im listening...
There was a time when Bush won his second term. His vote total adjusted for the growth of the voting population was actually greater then Obamas win. At the time Republicans had the presidency and congress.
The after election reports had the democratic party in shambles and wondered if the many extremist factions of the democratic party could ever pull together to unite on anything. The democratic party found someone who generated a rock star kind of following. It did not matter that the person had little to no experience managing anything.
Sound familar? Right now despite the democratic partys efforts to destroy her and her family Palin is generating the same kind of excitement.
Meanwhile Democrats are wondering what they have to do to squash her.
Stay tuned 2012 could be very interesting if this economy does not start turning soon.
D
Dis-organized Labor
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Dude: Stick with the majority of the issues before you bring up the lesser circumstances. (i.e. rape)
First and foremost; life does begin at Conception.
What do you think "Life" is??
I see so many images these days of fetus's in the womb.
They're kinda' weird-looking, but they are still human beings without legs (too early); but still.
Forget it. This is a
thread as far as I'm concerned.Abortion is not right.
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Babagounj
Strength through joy
TOS please explain the meaning of this statement from barry;
"We did note that while we recognize that Tibet is part of the People's Republic of China, the United States supports the early resumption of dialogue between the Chinese government and representatives of the Dalai Lama to resolve any concerns and differences that the two sides may have."
While our state dept has been saying something like this for years. Having the us president say it while in China makes it sound like someone else is pulling his strings.
"We did note that while we recognize that Tibet is part of the People's Republic of China, the United States supports the early resumption of dialogue between the Chinese government and representatives of the Dalai Lama to resolve any concerns and differences that the two sides may have."
While our state dept has been saying something like this for years. Having the us president say it while in China makes it sound like someone else is pulling his strings.
PSSST,
TIEGUY, dont look now, but PALINS book is now 30% OFF just so stores can try and get them off the shelves....
So much for a best seller.
By next month, they will be at 50%.
Good luck on the promotion.
diesel96
Well-Known Member
What you stated is not quite true, but little of what you state ever is.
YouTube- Truth and Origins of the Israeli / Palestinian Conflict
Brett, all your responses originate from right Wing tabloid journalists and think tanks. Hard to take you serious. You have potential to be percieved as a smart guy, until you start championing Palin for Prez in 2012. At that point, I guess you let the little head take over the big head...you see Brett, my reponse is from the top of my head. I did not have to google a bias depiction from You Tube and pretend I'm an expert on Israel...
Based on your inability to understand the basic forum text formatting tags I doubt you could even begin to comprehend how a database works. I highly doubt every campaign communication will get sent to everybody all the time considering they are not always meant for everyone. Just because you receive such e-mails does not mean they are all sent your way.
Brett, reguardless of whether or not I'm qualified to work for Best Buy's "Geek Squad", If I have not seen campaign communications of any sort sent my way. Would you please. once again, search the web, and provide us some material of your claim stating Obama Camp needs to raise $500,000 G's to fend off Sarah Palin because there in such fear...
Last I checked Martha stewart is a convicted criminal because of her lies she told the SEC. Certainly not someone I would want to put on a pedestal above Sarah Palin when it comes to having a grasp of the issues. Especially how she states that she has never watched Sarah Palin.
Martha Stewart has paid her dues (and Fines $$) and hasn't missed a beat on regaining her fan base and marketbility. She didn't QUIT and take the "Palin" road and co author a juvenile "He said -She said" book. The entire McCain camp disputes everythnig she co-authored reguarding her handlers, so that tells me she's full of moose droppings. She lies to protect her not so perfect image. Martha re-established herself and works fervently to be in a position she's in today. And doesn't need a "Tell All" book to jump start her career....
The key here Tie, is comprehension. I'll take the Ivy leaguer over the 6 x Jr Community Colleger transfer any day.
*(footnote) An Ivy Leaguer who's Dad didn't buy Jr in.
BaBa, one question needed for Sarah. Why'd ya QUIT ?
Moreluck, step away from the liquor cabinet !
Diesel,
Sorry my Liberal friend. I seemed to have missed all the other Abortion threads you speak of. But since I began this thread concerning all the reasons I believe the Liberal's are trying to destroy this woman --whether you personally agree or not --Abortion debate is very much a part of this thread. No one is forcing you to respond . Seems you are pretty good at the various names you use to describe life. I guess you are alright with a "embryo or Fetus" cringing in the mothers womb as the abortion instrument heads toward its heart or head --but I guess the heart or head of a fetus does not exist -- even though you can count their fingers and toes and can tell what sex they are ? So when a doctor tells the expectant Mother that her Baby is a healthy little boy ,with a good heart beat and little hands and fingers ---none of that exists in your Liberal free choice world. Everyone is welcome in the Liberal tent ---I do not think so ---As tieguy stated ---you were once a fetus ---were you dead then ?
Painting people as "alright" with abortions again is a play on words and an arguement you'll lose everytime. Nobody is "OK" emotionally with Abortion, especially the Woman. Your depictions as if every abortion is of third tri-mester stage wins you best "Drama Queen" award. There's no way to sugarcoat "the Act" of aborting. I'm personally against it, but IMO there are extreme circumstances the option is available for the women to make a choice. It just sux, that with the right intentions comes a few with the wrong intentions. that's wear Planned Parenthood can help, but your side wants to cut funding for them too....
Really ? I didn't think he even won his first term. Geez, the Dem's were so lame back then.....Especially in my state....
Being half black myself, I can assure you that nobody ever calls us "half white". Unless, I guess when one is elected president and "half white" is some kind of consolation?We're not supposed to talk about his other half.
brett636
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Deny Deny Deny, that is what you do best when it comes to reality. It must be true that if you lie to yourself enough you really believe it.
Well gee, this didn't take long, and it even came from ABC news.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/organizing-for-america-targets-sarah-palin-.html
Martha is a convicted felon. She can't even legally head up her own company because her criminal record is so tainted. I guess that'll teach her to do some insider trading and then Lie to the SEC about it. Last I checked Sarah Palin has not done jail time for any such transgression giving her much more credibility. BTW, Martha was already established as a household name long before her scuffle with the SEC. All we knew of Sarah was what her campaign handlers allowed to get released, and the half truths released by the main stream media. At least until she wrote her book.
tieguy
Banned
PSSST,
TIEGUY, dont look now, but PALINS book is now 30% OFF just so stores can try and get them off the shelves....
So much for a best seller.
By next month, they will be at 50%.
Good luck on the promotion.
Can ya believe people are still paying for Palins book when they're practically giving Obamas away?
wkmac
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Half White! Half Black! OK, let's take a que from the paint store and create a new racial type.
Gray.
There's no white, no black, just shades of gray!
As for Martha Stewart, I always find it interesting when people will extoll the evils of gov't (mostly when run by the party they oppose) as they see it and yet ignore the potential evils of gov't in other areas because it's someone they don't like and who have even spoken out against the very party gods these same folks worship. Not that you flip the coin and find anything different! Behind the illusion the truth for all looks like this!
There's your leaders of soceity before the makeup and special effects people get done!
Besides, I guess some just ignore the fact that the gov't prosecutes people for the purpose of propaganda and mental control of the masses rather than any real wrong where there are physical victims to be seen and actual damages pointed too. Even last tax season, the sheep were warned by the IRS in another celebrity show trial not to screw around. Ironic the timing of the court decision was the 1st of February about the time we lemmings get all our paperwork and start sending it in for that infamous refund check.
Martha Stewart is not our kind of political ally so who cares if she goes down!
But then political opportunism before principle, right?
Gray.
There's no white, no black, just shades of gray!
As for Martha Stewart, I always find it interesting when people will extoll the evils of gov't (mostly when run by the party they oppose) as they see it and yet ignore the potential evils of gov't in other areas because it's someone they don't like and who have even spoken out against the very party gods these same folks worship. Not that you flip the coin and find anything different! Behind the illusion the truth for all looks like this!
There's your leaders of soceity before the makeup and special effects people get done!
Besides, I guess some just ignore the fact that the gov't prosecutes people for the purpose of propaganda and mental control of the masses rather than any real wrong where there are physical victims to be seen and actual damages pointed too. Even last tax season, the sheep were warned by the IRS in another celebrity show trial not to screw around. Ironic the timing of the court decision was the 1st of February about the time we lemmings get all our paperwork and start sending it in for that infamous refund check.
Martha Stewart is not our kind of political ally so who cares if she goes down!
But then political opportunism before principle, right?
tieguy
Banned
Your origins and heritage do tend to garner more attention as president.
Many conservatives are dissapointed that Obama won't let us adequately celebrate his birth in Kenya.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
I watched the YouTube video linked and very quick in I found a serious historical flaw presented as fact.
Direct quote from the New Jewish Encyclopedia copyright 62' 76' under the article Palestine. And before I quote let me point out that why would you have an article on something if it never existed in the first place?
page 369 under the article Palestine
It goes on to say this as well in the same article.
Throughout the entire article the text repeats the term Palestine over and over again with such phrases as:
Palestine is situated in the southwestern corner of Asia
Palestine covers 66k kilometers
Palestine contains 4 zones
Jewish history in Palestine began in about 2k BCE
The Syrian and Egyptian dynasties battled over Palestine
170 BCE Palestine conquered by Syrians
Palestine remained under Roman and Byzantine rule
So for a land of Palestine to have never existed seems a bit of a problem to say the least. Don't keep a copy of the New Jewish Encyclopedia on your bookshelf? A good student of history would!
I also guess it doesn't matter that the whole idea of a jewish homeland wasn't an issue until in the late 19th century when a french jew by the name of Theodore Herzl witnessed an anti-jewish event in France and then started what became known as the Zionist movement. I guess also it would matter if the early Zionist Congress voted on a Jewish State in Africa after land in Uganda was offered? Funny also that it was about this same time that the Dispensational Pre-Millennialism (a belief very centered on God establishing a nationstate for Israel in the end times) took strong root in protestant Christianity in Europe and America.I've spoken before of the teachings of jew and arab being brothers and both sides accepting this as fact but for your sake, here's under the heading of Arabs, New Jewish Encyclopedia, page 18.
If you know your Sunday School lessons, remember Ishmael and Hagar as opposed to Sarah and Issac? And what is the first law of family succession of property and name? To the first born and who was the first born in this case? Even Jacob who's name was changed to Israel was not the firstborn and only achieved the birthright through deception and trickery. But then all this claim to a land is all predicated on a religious document that grants special privedge and rights to a certain people and whom from them the bible came into existence. Do we ever dare question a man made document that truth be told had more to do with a political/social motive than knowing all truth about God? But yet we sit here and see no problem nor conflict in the fact that the people who claim the divine conduit of God to us also have for themselves a very specific and special place of which no one is to ever question or ever doubt. And the only proof is their word based on our faith?
The claim to land ownership by both sides is rooted in a system of religous dogma written by the hand of men (way after the fact) and not divinely inspired by the spoken word of god. As I've said before, this is a family fight and we should stay out of it completely as we have no business in it.
Also Brett, as you stated to D' comments about being untrue, you might spend some time reading up on the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the Balfour Declaration. As to Sykes and the broken promises to Arabs, the british told the arab tribes if they fought with them against the Ottoman Turk's, the British after the war would grant them and their lands full soverign independence and yet if was Lord Balfour himself from the post war Paris talks that stated all promises to arabs would not be honored and then Arabia was made a british protectorate. Even today, the royal Saudia family is a puppet gov't of the west who only grow rich and care little about anyone else.
Between broken promises and locked kneed stances of denying historical fact that Palestine existed, I see no reason where the arab should trust us.
And we wonder why the arab peoples hate us so!
tieguy
Banned
I'm not sure anyone considers Martha a political leader. As a convicted felon she should have lost her right to vote and thus should lose her right to affect the outcome of a vote.
tieguy
Banned
PSSST,
TIEGUY, dont look now, but PALINS book is now 30% OFF just so stores can try and get them off the shelves....
So much for a best seller.
By next month, they will be at 50%.
Good luck on the promotion.
pssst... backside....
Palin seen in fort bragg selling more of those darn books..
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/23/954786
"Palin arrived at Fort Bragg this morning to a media mob and cheers from more than 1,000 people lined up for her book-signing event.
About a dozen people had been waiting since Sunday."
Let me be the first conservative to join my liberal brothers and sisters in saying that in 2012 I do not want president palin wasting time signing books and selling T-shirts as our current president has been doing.
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