Shooting at Oregon Community College

[tourists24]

You're correct .
It's an urban war zone .
Year To Date
Shot & Killed: 348
Shot & Wounded: 1971
Total Shot: 2319
Total Homicides: 396

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Sounds like they need gun control laws there

 

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[Wally]

I wonder what psychiatric drugs the shooter was on?

 

[Tired Driver]

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I carry where every I go. The only place I do not carry is when I am at work.

 

[8000Shelf]

How do guns protect against tyranny anyways? I can see how people thought that they did when the constitution was written but I don't see how they do in modern times. Kinda old school weaponry compared to what our government has these days.

 

[BrownArmy]

Actually, the per capita murder rate as well as the overall number of murders and murders committed with guns has been steadily decreasing since 1993. This in spite of the fact that the number of guns in private ownership as well as the number of people with concealed carry permits has dramatically increased during that same timeframe. As far as what happened in Roseburg (190 miles south of where I sit at this moment) I have very little factual information about the tragedy except for two things; it happened in a posted "gun free" zone, and it ended when a good guy with a gun shot and killed the bad guy with the gun.

Generally I agree with you, and I know you have a soft-spot for the 2nd Amendment and gun ownership in general, but, come on now?!!?

Personally, I'm neutral about gun-ownership - I don't own any guns and I have enough other hobbies to keep me occupied. If guns are your hobby, excellent. It's not my thing, and it's not my decision - 2nd Amendment, etc.

There are other amendments to the Constitution I'm more concerned about.

Which militia are you in by the way? (tongue-in-cheek, but not really).

The 'good-guys-with-guns' argument doesn't hold weight with me - I'm not sure it's any kind of rational solution, i.e. lets arm everyone everywhere just in case someone else who is armed starts to shoot.

I don't have an alternate solution, I just don't like the 'more guns' solution.

I'm not going to pretend to supply an answer to the 'mass-shooting' problem, but when a proposal is 'more guns', frankly I'm dubious.

There are a lot of excellent qualities about the United States, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, however we seem to be very good at cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

 

[Babagounj]

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[soberups]

After he shot 20 and killed 13. Forgot that part. So even though he was killed by a gun held by a good guy he was able to KILL 13.

Maybe the reason he was able to get away with killing 10 people was because none of the good guys in the immediate area had guns, so they had to call 911 and wait precious minutes for a good guy with a gun to show up.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Maybe the reason he was able to get away with killing 10 people was because none of the good guys in the immediate area had guns, so they had to call 911 and wait precious minutes for a good guy with a gun to show up.

So it's partly their own fault they died?

 

[BrownArmy]

Maybe the reason he was able to get away with killing 10 people was because none of the good guys in the immediate area had guns, so they had to call 911 and wait precious minutes for a good guy with a gun to show up.

I'm having difficulty imagining a world where everyone is armed (if I follow your train of thought).

I don't want to live in that world.

So I deliver to the dock/mall/office building, and...what, everyone's armed?

I'm also armed?

Everyone's packing?

That's the end-result of your line of thinking.

If I wanted to live in a world where everyone was armed, I'd emigrate to Syria.

 

[soberups]

So it's partly their own fault they died?

No.

I am merely pointing out that the unarmed security guard and the "gun free zone" stickers on the doors didn't keep anyone safe. Murderers don't pay attention to stickers.

 

[soberups]

I'm having difficulty imagining a world where everyone is armed (if I follow your train of thought).

I don't want to live in that world.

So I deliver to the dock/mall/office building, and...what, everyone's armed?

I'm also armed?

Everyone's packing?

That's the end-result of your line of thinking.

If I wanted to live in a world where everyone was armed, I'd emigrate to Syria.

I don't know if being armed would have made a difference at UCC or not.

All I know is that the only thing worse than living in a world where everyone is armed would be living in a world where only the bad guys are armed.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

No.

I am merely pointing out that the unarmed security guard and the "gun free zone" stickers on the doors didn't keep anyone safe. Murderers don't pay attention to stickers.

Neither do I. I carry in gun free zones all the time.
Using your logic, had these people taken their 4th amendment right to privacy into consideration, and disobeyed a law many 2nd amendment proponents consider to be unjust, they might be alive.

If you view it from a personal responsibility stance, gun free zone laws are no more to blame than the people who choose to obey them.

 

[Coldworld]

I don't know if being armed would have made a difference at UCC or not.

All I know is that the only thing worse than living in a world where everyone is armed would be living in a world where only the bad guys are armed.

There were a few ex military students on campus that were inside classrooms behind doors ready to confront the shooter if he ended up approaching...too bad they were not armed since most of them have firearms training from the military they could have been minutes ahead of the police in taking down an active shooter

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

There were a few ex military students on campus that were inside classrooms behind doors ready to confront the shooter if he ended up approaching...too bad they were not armed since most of them have firearms training from the military they could have been minutes ahead of the police in taking down an active shooter

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.

 

[brown bomber]

ll I know is that the only thing worse than living in a world where everyone is armed would be living in a world where only the bad guys are armed.

and that would be Chicago, with some of the strictest gun laws.....yet every week they have many shootings and murders

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

There were a few ex military students on campus that were inside classrooms behind doors ready to confront the shooter if he ended up approaching...too bad they were not armed since most of them have firearms training from the military they could have been minutes ahead of the police in taking down an active shooter

The firearms training that I received while on active duty consisted of instruction at Basic Training and annual qualification thereafter. Hardly enough experience to be an effective shooter.

 

[Babagounj]

The firearms training that I received while on active duty consisted of instruction at Basic Training and annual qualification thereafter. Hardly enough experience to be an effective shooter.

A heroic student charged at the Oregon college shooter and was shot seven times as he tried to save his classmates, his family said.
'He was on the wrestling team and and he's done cage-fighting so it does not surprise me that he would act heroically.'
Army veteran , who served 10 years , Chris Mintz, 30, was taken to hospital following the massacre at Umpqua Community College on Thursday morning.

No vital organs were hit when Mintz was shot multiple times, but he is expected to recover after spending most of Thursday in surgery.

According to his family, both of his legs are broken and he will have to learn to walk again.

Mintz's aunt Sheila Brown told NBC News that 'he tried to protect some people'.

 

[Sportello]

There were a few ex military students on campus that were inside classrooms behind doors ready to confront the shooter if he ended up approaching...too bad they were not armed since most of them have firearms training from the military they could have been minutes ahead of the police in taking down an active shooter

There was at least one report that said at least some of them were armed, but choose not to make a dangerous situation even more dangerous.

 

[trickpony1]

The shooter is said to have singled out Christians.

I want to see how certain browncafe members talk themselves out of this one.