oldngray
nowhere special
In Kerry's case he may be telling the truth. He really is that clueless.
Syria
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In Kerry's case he may be telling the truth. He really is that clueless.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Poor little TOSSIE. Bless you little heart. He's now the BC defender of the Bush Doctrine!
I've always said there is no real difference.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
At a news conference in Washington today, President Obama announced that he is directing the Environmental Protection Agency to act immediately to enforce a new set of regulations to limit emissions of dihydrogen oxide gas, or water vapor, one of the primary causes of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.
“The world faces a crisis,” the president intoned, “and America must lead. We have taken the first step by limiting carbon emissions, but that cannot be effective unless we deal with the larger menace posed by dihydrogen oxide pollution as well. Since Congress has failed in its duty to pass the required laws, I, as president, am directing the EPA to move unilaterally to issue and enforce appropriate regulations.”
In answer to a reporter’s question, the president acknowledged that there may also be natural sources of atmospheric water vapor, but took a firm stand nevertheless. “Other nations may pollute, but that does not excuse us. Other sources may pollute, but that can not excuse us. Whatever other nations do, or natural processes may do, we must be responsible for our own actions. Every pound of dihydrogen oxide pollution is a blow to the climate.
So can anyone answer this ..... How much dihydrogen oxide is created when a cruise missle explodes ?
“The world faces a crisis,” the president intoned, “and America must lead. We have taken the first step by limiting carbon emissions, but that cannot be effective unless we deal with the larger menace posed by dihydrogen oxide pollution as well. Since Congress has failed in its duty to pass the required laws, I, as president, am directing the EPA to move unilaterally to issue and enforce appropriate regulations.”
In answer to a reporter’s question, the president acknowledged that there may also be natural sources of atmospheric water vapor, but took a firm stand nevertheless. “Other nations may pollute, but that does not excuse us. Other sources may pollute, but that can not excuse us. Whatever other nations do, or natural processes may do, we must be responsible for our own actions. Every pound of dihydrogen oxide pollution is a blow to the climate.
So can anyone answer this ..... How much dihydrogen oxide is created when a cruise missle explodes ?
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
To those who say that the USA should stop acting as the world police;
I agree with you to a point, but it is worth remembering that in many cases, the reason we choose to maintain military bases in other nations is because those nations (Japan and South Korea being prime examples) are under direct threat from a nuclear-armed enemy and rather than trigger a regional arms race by developing their own nukes they rely upon us for such protection. If we feel the time has come to "bring our troops home" thats fine, but we cant then expect those nations to continue their policy of not possessing nuclear weapons of their own. Same thing goes with chemical weapons; 192 nations worldwide have signed a treaty outlawing the posession or use of chemical weapons and part of what makes that treaty work is the implied threat of military consequences (imposed by us or another superpower) against the handful of nations (Syria being one) that have chosen not to abide by the treaty. The case can be made that if the nations of the world overwhelmingly choose to ban chemical weapons then someone somewhere needs to be willing to kick some ass when that ban is violated; otherwise the treaty isnt worth the paper its written on.
I agree with you to a point, but it is worth remembering that in many cases, the reason we choose to maintain military bases in other nations is because those nations (Japan and South Korea being prime examples) are under direct threat from a nuclear-armed enemy and rather than trigger a regional arms race by developing their own nukes they rely upon us for such protection. If we feel the time has come to "bring our troops home" thats fine, but we cant then expect those nations to continue their policy of not possessing nuclear weapons of their own. Same thing goes with chemical weapons; 192 nations worldwide have signed a treaty outlawing the posession or use of chemical weapons and part of what makes that treaty work is the implied threat of military consequences (imposed by us or another superpower) against the handful of nations (Syria being one) that have chosen not to abide by the treaty. The case can be made that if the nations of the world overwhelmingly choose to ban chemical weapons then someone somewhere needs to be willing to kick some ass when that ban is violated; otherwise the treaty isnt worth the paper its written on.
texan
Well-Known Member
Putin greets Obama with Syria threat
PUTIN GREETS OBAMA WITH SYRIA THREAT - President Obama arrived in Russia today to find the already
failing relations with his host in even worse condition.
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threat to provide his Syrian allies with a missile shield in the event of
U.S. airstrikes further complicates Obama’s flagging effort to win international support
for an attack on Damascus.
Read more: Putin greets Obama with Syria threat | Fox News
PUTIN GREETS OBAMA WITH SYRIA THREAT - President Obama arrived in Russia today to find the already
failing relations with his host in even worse condition.
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threat to provide his Syrian allies with a missile shield in the event of
U.S. airstrikes further complicates Obama’s flagging effort to win international support
for an attack on Damascus.
Read more: Putin greets Obama with Syria threat | Fox News
UnconTROLLed
perfection
Yet the same people will be casting the same votes in 2016Poor little TOSSIE. Bless you little heart. He's now the BC defender of the Bush Doctrine!
I've always said there is no real difference.
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
Putin knows Obama is a coward. This just shows how weak America looks with Obama at the helm. I almost wish we'd launch some air strikes just to show Putin that we aren't as weak as we seem. I just hope the chemical attacks were true in order for the strikes to be legit. And they should be done without any damn announcement by our administration beforehand . God we look so silly right now.
texan
Well-Known Member
U.S. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified this week that the Russians might even
replace any military assets the U.S. destroys in a strike.
The warnings raise the possibility of a supposedly "limited" strike on Syria turning into a proxy
tit-for-tat between Russia and the U.S.
Rep. George Holding, R-N.C., went further during a hearing on Syria on Wednesday, pressing military officials on
what the U.S. would do "if Russia decided to strike at us in that theater."
Putin warns Russia could come to Syria's aid over US strike | Fox News
replace any military assets the U.S. destroys in a strike.
The warnings raise the possibility of a supposedly "limited" strike on Syria turning into a proxy
tit-for-tat between Russia and the U.S.
Rep. George Holding, R-N.C., went further during a hearing on Syria on Wednesday, pressing military officials on
what the U.S. would do "if Russia decided to strike at us in that theater."
Putin warns Russia could come to Syria's aid over US strike | Fox News
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
Russia is moving some of their crappy warships through the Bosphorus Straits and Gibralter to the eastern Med. as a sign of their committment to their Syrian allies.
"Beat to Quarters"...
"Beat to Quarters"...
Babagounj
Strength through joy
President Obama’s liberal activist base is adamantly opposed to military strikes in Syria, according to a new survey the Progressive Change Campaign Committee released Wednesday.
PCCC says more than 57,000 of its activists weighed in, and 73 percent of them opposed the U.S. taking action in Syria. Just 18 percent supported strikes, and just 14 percent said the U.S. should go ahead unilaterally if it can’t find any allies.
Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John friend. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action.
PCCC says more than 57,000 of its activists weighed in, and 73 percent of them opposed the U.S. taking action in Syria. Just 18 percent supported strikes, and just 14 percent said the U.S. should go ahead unilaterally if it can’t find any allies.
Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John friend. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action.
The Hopey Changey farce is unraveling.
island1fox
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Sober,
I would find a "soda" summit with you to be very interesting.
I also agree with you to a point.
As far as nuclear weapons -our boots on the ground for the last 75 years or so --has not prevented nations from attaining nuclear weapons --North Korea--Iran only a matter of time.
Spending Trillions of dollars on "foreign " military bases with outdated "foot soldiers" --total waste of money. Also these bases are supporting foreign economies while we continue to close and reduce bases in the U.S. When we close a base here -do you know how many "hooters" close down ?
The U.S. has to stop being the worlds policeman --which takes pressure of the U.N. --to stand up and do the right thing . If there are "world" treaties --than the world should enforce them.
The U.S. should have all of our boots on the ground in the U.S. Support local economies--provide disaster relief --New Orleans and the Jersey shore come to mind--also our seals and engineers should be tasked to "re-build" America's infrastructure --instead of the crony capitalism that goes on with politicians lining their own pockets with money from corrupt contractors--the "bid dig" in Boston comes to mind.
The U.S. is hated and re-viled for "doing the right thing" by many nations around the world as well as many of its own citizens.
On Syria --Kerry {peace nik} tells us to do the right thing for the gassing --but the real proof is top secret ???? Kerry -when young -testified of Civilians killed in Vietnam. By "doing the right thing" How many will we kill with tomahawks ?? More than was gassed ???
Putin calls him a liar --we do not know what the rebels consist of ---Russia has moved war ships next to ours --China, Iran North Korea and many other enemies might think it is time --with the U.S. scaling back its military, economy in desperate shape, military drained and weary from the bogged down two wars ---time to really strike the U.S. hard ---cut off the oil --cyber attack the entire system and paratroop into Oregon and Seattle ---thank God --you and me still own guns !!!
May God continue to Bless America !!!
texan
Well-Known Member
[h=1]Russian Ships Heading To Mediterranean[/h]
Russia's Interfax news agency says four Russian ships are on their way to the eastern Mediterranean.
The report on September 6 said two large landing ships and a reconnaissance ship had passed through the
Dardanelles Strait entering the eastern Mediterranean.
It said a third landing ship has left the Black Sea port of Sevastopol and would sail toward the eastern
Mediterranean after picking a "special cargo" in Novorossiysk.
Russia's Interfax news agency says four Russian ships are on their way to the eastern Mediterranean.
The report on September 6 said two large landing ships and a reconnaissance ship had passed through the
Dardanelles Strait entering the eastern Mediterranean.
It said a third landing ship has left the Black Sea port of Sevastopol and would sail toward the eastern
Mediterranean after picking a "special cargo" in Novorossiysk.
CaliforniaPaul
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The USSR Rusty!!!
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Those who try to compare what Obama is doing with Syria to what Bush did in Iraq are missing the whole point.
Bush used faulty/fabricated evidence to mount a full-scale invasion of a country, with the stated intention of removing the leader of that country from power and installing a democracy. Thousands of Americans died, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, tens of billions of dollars were spent, and the result is a nation that is arguably in worse condition now than it was prior to our invasion.
Obama has stated repeatedly that he has no intention of putting troops on the ground or effecting any sort of "regime change" in Syria. Our stated goal is to use cruise missile strikes to punish a leader who (supposedly) used nerve gas on his own people in violation of international law. There is a big difference between cruise missile strikes and a full-scale invasion.
Bush used faulty/fabricated evidence to mount a full-scale invasion of a country, with the stated intention of removing the leader of that country from power and installing a democracy. Thousands of Americans died, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, tens of billions of dollars were spent, and the result is a nation that is arguably in worse condition now than it was prior to our invasion.
Obama has stated repeatedly that he has no intention of putting troops on the ground or effecting any sort of "regime change" in Syria. Our stated goal is to use cruise missile strikes to punish a leader who (supposedly) used nerve gas on his own people in violation of international law. There is a big difference between cruise missile strikes and a full-scale invasion.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Landing ships you say?
[video=youtube;Bgn7n3OPAqE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgn7n3OPAqE[/video]
island1fox
Well-Known Member
Just like the "Cuban Missle Crisis". I believe a deal has already been cut.Putin TOLD Obama in the 20 Minute Private discussion Not to bomb Syria.
Besides the consequences--Putin reminded him that he stands alone internationally ,Does not have UN approval nor popular support ,Congress is split,The rebels are not good people and basically Obama does not know what he is doing.
But he provided Obama an out. Kerry and the Russian secretary to meet in two weeks.
Obama Wil make a great Telepromter speech from the Oval Office on how great he is and if nothing is settled by the Russian meeting- The Nobel Peace Prize winner--will do the right thing and bomb- showing his resolve on the "red line"
In two weeks-the rusty Russian ships will leave the area-- Obama will not bomb Syria-- the press will compare him to JFK --- then move on --nothing to see here!
