Been all over the world for a long time. I just think what will it take to commit the American people to a war on jihadist. Do we need to a see a dirty bomb set off in New York? If 9/11 didn’t convince you people we need to be over there cracking skulls I don’t know what will.
How soon we forget.
If were not into leveling a country and killing everything we dont need to be there, trump believe it or not did the next best thing in dropping that moab on their cave system
We could be over there cracking skulls and they could still be setting off a dirty bomb in NYC. We were over there for 20 years to not win but to drag things out and make defense contractors a lot of money. We could have obliterated the Taliban at any time and didn't. Notice yesterday's bombing was the biggest loss of American military lives in ten years. That's because our military wasn't engaging the Taliban for much of that time. The Afghan Army was with our air support. The focus should be why did we pull air support and then watch the Taliban proceed to take over the country? Why did we pull our military completely out and leave all that equipment and all those Americans and allies? That allowed the Taliban to march into Kabul and made it extremely difficult for Americans to evacuate. Our government met with Taliban leadership in Doha, Qatar shortly before all this took place. What was conceded in that meeting? We don't need to stay now to prove no little country is going to push us around. We needed to take care of business and get out 15,16,17 years ago. And left no uncertainty as to what happens when you mess with the U.S. But it was a golden opportunity to line a lot of pockets and it got good people killed and maimed doing so. Let's take care of our military personnel first, not our politicians campaign coffers or fatcat military contractors.
America voted for 12 years of politicians who wanted to surrender to them and are surprised pikachu faced over the war not being won.
Did we use our military might at any time in the last 20 years to completely defeat them? We certainly had the capability to. Did we stop the supply caravans coming out of Pakistan at any time in the last 20 years? Notice that Trump killed the ISIS leadership as well as Iran's top general. When he negotiated a conditioned withdrawal from Afghanistan he made it clear he would do the same to their leadership if Americans were harmed and they believed him. And no Americans were killed until yesterday under Biden's watch. We can talk about being in South Korea and Germany for decades but those aren't hot wars. Trump saw it for what it was: a drain on our economy with no resolution in sight. He made a lot of people angry doing so, including keyboard warriors who don't mind getting troops killed if it proves what badasses we are. Wars should be fought with a clear mission and once that mission is accomplished get out. And leave with honor, not the debacle we've had for a week now.
The mission is national security. It’s an on going mission, holding Afghanistan was pretty vital to that mission as we are going to find out moving forward. The pull out would of be disastrous sooner or later under whoever did it, because it isn’t just a withdraw of troops from a won war, it is a surrender to jihadis, there is no leaving with honor under those circumstances.
Leaving and surrendering aren't always the same. Leaving with honor means removing all of our citizens and our allies who assisted us. Leave no one behind. Don't aid the enemy by leaving him equipment. Surrendering means being beaten so thoroughly on the battlefield we sue for peace rather than taking any more. We can watch from afar and monitor comings and goings. We can intercept communications. We don't have to be in Afghanistan to do this. What you're wanting is for us to send in masses of troops and kill every last jihadist. Should have been done a long time ago. There's no political will to do it now. After the bombs yesterday if we manage to get our people out we should bomb every strategic site in the country including our stashes of equipment. Probably not going to happen.
How are we supposed to pull out without leaving the taliban equipment? We just completely disarm our Afghanistan allies of the billions we gave to them to fight our war for us? Leave them to be slaughtered? What would of been the optics on that
move?
ing disgrace and should resign immediately, where are the calls for impeachment? Trump eats two scoops of ice cream it’s time to impeach, Joe Biden does this and crickets.
And no, you can surrender without being beaten on the battlefield as we all just witnessed, this was a
ing surrender. There were no favorable terms of peace set, hardly any negotiations we don’t have any real details on what our relations will be. You got leftists now announcing the taliban are our allies against isis and will be defending us from them, like wtf crack are these morons smoking.
You act like I wasn’t on here bitching when it was Trump in charge. Like me and Newfie didn’t have spats about the Middle East from time to time. It’s one of the couple things I didn’t support out of Trump. I’m not just some blind Trump devotee. If this was him in charge right now I’d support impeachment.
We could have been either flying our equipment out or destroying it for the last few months. Logistics really isn't your strong suit, huh? They have our equipment now because the Afghan Army folded. You can make an argument for keeping our air support there as long as the Afghanis paid for it. That was the crucial element that kept them fighting. But get our guys killed for a people.who won't fight for their freedom and don't even believe in the freedoms we give our citizens?
If it was him in charge we wouldn't have this obscene mess.
We had a conditioned withdrawal under Trump. Not Trump's fault Biden threw that out.
We could be disarming our allies before leaving is what you are saying up to the point of blowing up their military assets and leaving them up
creek with out a paddle. You’d be screaming if Biden had done that and rightfully so.If our allies are going to cut and run then we should damn well make sure our military equipment doesn't fall into the hands of the enemy. That was our equipment of our military we left behind. It was stockpiled, not being used by the Afghanis, they had their own equipment we had supplied at our taxpayers expense. Among that stockpiled were our uniforms that the Taliban has been running around in and made a mockery of the famous pic at Iwo Jima of our guys raising our flag by raising their own flag in a similar fashion while wearing OUR uniforms. And we are engaged all over the world. To say it's no longer worth our while to be in one particular country isn't isolationist. Buy a clue!
