Taliban in control way to go Joe

El Correcto

god is dead
If our allies are going to cut and run then we should damn well make sure our military equipment doesn't fall into the hands of the enemy. That was our equipment of our military we left behind. It was stockpiled, not being used by the Afghanis, they had their own equipment we had supplied at our taxpayers expense. Among that stockpiled were our uniforms that the Taliban has been running around in and made a mockery of the famous pic at Iwo Jima of our guys raising our flag by raising their own flag in a similar fashion while wearing OUR uniforms. And we are engaged all over the world. To say it's no longer worth our while to be in one particular country isn't isolationist. Buy a clue!
That’s 20/20 hindsight.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
How so? Biden had our military literally fly out in the middle of the night without evacuating our people. Had to fly 4500 troops back to secure the airport after there was a huge outcry. He left our stockpiled equipment, not anyone else.
You strip down your allies and leave them to die would be put on Biden’s hands. You are being stupid. Yes surrendering to jihadis is isolationist garbage, leaving Afghanistan is isolationist garbage. Name a single other country responsible for a 9/11 type event on our soil that we currently occupy, you can’t. Might as well bring them all home to, their mission is far less important to America’s national security than Afghanistan was.
 

vantexan

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You strip down your allies and leave them to die would be put on Biden’s hands. You are being stupid. Yes surrendering to jihadis is isolationist garbage, leaving Afghanistan is isolationist garbage. Name a single other country responsible for a 9/11 type event on our soil that we currently occupy, you can’t. Might as well bring them all home to, their mission is far less important to America’s national security than Afghanistan was.
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Did we invade Saudi Arabia? Plenty of evidence that members of the Saudi government supported terrorism against us. The Pakistanis gave and are giving material and logistical support to the Taliban after we invaded. Did we punish Pakistan? They receive billions in aid from us annually. You don't realize it but your patriotism is being used against you by elements within your own government to perpetuate a money making machine that's even being used to support our enemies. About time the gravy train ended. Afghanistan produces most of the poppies that make heroin. Ever asked why our government hasn't destroyed those fields? You're very cavalier about getting people killed to further your personal beliefs. By the way Rome deserved what it got from centuries of overruning and brutally ruling other lands, then rotting from the inside with decadent living. We aren't Rome, but we should learn from their mistakes. Stop giving in to fantasies like what's depicted in your video games.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Did we invade Saudi Arabia? Plenty of evidence that members of the Saudi government supported terrorism against us. The Pakistanis gave and are giving material and logistical support to the Taliban after we invaded. Did we punish Pakistan? They receive billions in aid from us annually. You don't realize it but your patriotism is being used against you by elements within your own government to perpetuate a money making machine that's even being used to support our enemies. About time the gravy train ended. Afghanistan produces most of the poppies that make heroin. Ever asked why our government hasn't destroyed those fields? You're very cavalier about getting people killed to further your personal beliefs. By the way Rome deserved what it got from centuries of overruning and brutally ruling other lands, then rotting from the inside with decadent living. We aren't Rome, but we should learn from their mistakes. Stop giving in to fantasies like what's depicted in your video games.
Stupid leftist talking points.
They came from Afghanistan where al qaeda was.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Stupid leftist talking points.
They came from Afghanistan where al qaeda was.
The 9/11 terrorists didn't come from Afghanistan. And Al-Qaeda wasn't run by Afghanis. And if someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a leftist. We can run down all the things supported by the Right that I totally agree with.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Since 9-11 , how many foreign terrorists decided to join the opposing forces that the US Military were fighting in Central Asia ?
 

El Correcto

god is dead
The 9/11 terrorists didn't come from Afghanistan. And Al-Qaeda wasn't run by Afghanis. And if someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a leftist. We can run down all the things supported by the Right that I totally agree with.
“Al-Qaeda began as a logistical network to support Muslims fighting against the Soviet Union during the Afghan War….. Based in Sudan for a period in the early 1990s, the group eventually reestablished its headquarters in Afghanistan (c. 1996) under the patronage of the Taliban militia.”

You don’t know what you are speaking about, al qaeda was primarily a group focused in Afghanistan, it has deep ties to the taliban, the two are basically inseperatable as seen by the taliban’s decision to go to war with america over not disowning al qaeda.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Did we invade Saudi Arabia? Plenty of evidence that members of the Saudi government supported terrorism against us. The Pakistanis gave and are giving material and logistical support to the Taliban after we invaded. Did we punish Pakistan? They receive billions in aid from us annually. You don't realize it but your patriotism is being used against you by elements within your own government to perpetuate a money making machine that's even being used to support our enemies. About time the gravy train ended. Afghanistan produces most of the poppies that make heroin. Ever asked why our government hasn't destroyed those fields? You're very cavalier about getting people killed to further your personal beliefs. By the way Rome deserved what it got from centuries of overruning and brutally ruling other lands, then rotting from the inside with decadent living. We aren't Rome, but we should learn from their mistakes. Stop giving in to fantasies like what's depicted in your video games.
You will get people killed to further your own views. This isn’t even the I told you so moment. That comes later, what happened at that airport is nothing compared to what these groups will do.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Did we invade Saudi Arabia? Plenty of evidence that members of the Saudi government supported terrorism against us. The Pakistanis gave and are giving material and logistical support to the Taliban after we invaded. Did we punish Pakistan? They receive billions in aid from us annually. You don't realize it but your patriotism is being used against you by elements within your own government to perpetuate a money making machine that's even being used to support our enemies. About time the gravy train ended. Afghanistan produces most of the poppies that make heroin. Ever asked why our government hasn't destroyed those fields? You're very cavalier about getting people killed to further your personal beliefs. By the way Rome deserved what it got from centuries of overruning and brutally ruling other lands, then rotting from the inside with decadent living. We aren't Rome, but we should learn from their mistakes. Stop giving in to fantasies like what's depicted in your video games.
Wah wah there’s government corruption wah wah.
You are just another populist wanting government gibs. We need to take care of our own people wah wah, :censored2: them. Get a job hippies, we got jihadis to kill.

I agree this war and punishing people needs to be done better, that’s why I avoid voting for people like Obama and Trump who promise to surrender in the Middle East, that is usually a non starter for me. Only reason I voted for the Trump the second time is his Middle East policy was extremely good, american strength being projected over there, huge break throughs happening actually developing relations with Israel and muslim nations. America being there to kill terrorists opens the doors to a lot of good things in that region of the world. Yet we got clowns in this country voting blindly to surrender and spilling out drivel like well we didn’t invade these people’s country of origin!!! Why should we fight in Afghanistan!! Hurrr durrr, america has no business over there!!
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I also believe Pompeo would never set conditions achievable by terrorist for America’s withdraw from the region. I think he was humoring trump’s idiocy.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
“Al-Qaeda began as a logistical network to support Muslims fighting against the Soviet Union during the Afghan War….. Based in Sudan for a period in the early 1990s, the group eventually reestablished its headquarters in Afghanistan (c. 1996) under the patronage of the Taliban militia.”

You don’t know what you are speaking about, al qaeda was primarily a group focused in Afghanistan, it has deep ties to the taliban, the two are basically inseperatable as seen by the taliban’s decision to go to war with america over not disowning al qaeda.
Bin Ladin was based there to hide from the West, but most Al-Qaeda operatives were Muslims from across the Muslim world. Bin Ladin himself was from a prominent Saudi family and most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. This is widely known. And Bin Laden was part of the effort to defeat the Soviets. When we invaded Iraq the people we were primarily fighting were Al-Qaeda which not only included mostly Iraqis but also Muslims from around the world including from the U.S. and Europe. They most likely included some Taliban but most were from other countries. Afghanistan will give these people a safe haven but we've a lot more to worry about with our own government having an open border policy which most likely has let some Muslim extremists in already.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Wah wah there’s government corruption wah wah.
You are just another populist wanting government gibs. We need to take care of our own people wah wah, * them. Get a job hippies, we got jihadis to kill.

I agree this war and punishing people needs to be done better, that’s why I avoid voting for people like Obama and Trump who promise to surrender in the Middle East, that is usually a non starter for me. Only reason I voted for the Trump the second time is his Middle East policy was extremely good, american strength being projected over there, huge break throughs happening actually developing relations with Israel and muslim nations. America being there to kill terrorists opens the doors to a lot of good things in that region of the world. Yet we got clowns in this country voting blindly to surrender and spilling out drivel like well we didn’t invade these people’s country of origin!!! Why should we fight in Afghanistan!! Hurrr durrr, america has no business over there!!
We're in that region of the world because we're once again dependent on Middle East oil. Our government needs to reestablish oil independence and get out of that region. Let the nations dependent on that region's oil spend their lives and treasure keeping it secure. We've run up almost 30 trillion in debt and need to take care of our own, not going around trying to prove how tough we are. You're thinking like some puffed up teenager who likes to bully others.
 

refineryworker05

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The people who supported us invading Afghanistan and Iraq 20 years ago, which was the whole republican party and a ton of democrats and the ignored the people who said hey these wars will end badly, have learned nothing. As usual and are pretending that they care about the lose of life and the chaos of redrawal. I just want the US out of this bs war. We have messed up that nation for far too long and probably have ensured a violent and deadly war to continue there, but we can't keep fighting this losing situation for another 20 years.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
The people who supported us invading Afghanistan and Iraq 20 years ago, which was the whole republican party and a ton of democrats and the ignored the people who said hey these wars will end badly, have learned nothing. As usual and are pretending that they care about the lose of life and the chaos of redrawal. I just want the US out of this bs war. We have messed up that nation for far too long and probably have ensured a violent and deadly war to continue there, but we can't keep fighting this losing situation for another 20 years.
Thanks to the idiots in charge now
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
The people who supported us invading Afghanistan and Iraq 20 years ago, which was the whole republican party and a ton of democrats and the ignored the people who said hey these wars will end badly, have learned nothing. As usual and are pretending that they care about the lose of life and the chaos of redrawal. I just want the US out of this bs war. We have messed up that nation for far too long and probably have ensured a violent and deadly war to continue there, but we can't keep fighting this losing situation for another 20 years.
Apparently you are good with the lives of women being totally suppressed, gays being thrown off buildings, people who helped us being butchered. We went in because of Afghanistan harboring the leadership who directed the 9/11 attacks. We should've been out long ago, but don't sit there all high and mighty talking about how we messed up an already :censored2:ed up country.
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
One thing that has always struck me about American foreign policy is that a lot of Americans foolishly believe that what the American potus wants, or what military leadership wants in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Syria, is more important than what the citizens of those nation's want. It is an insane perspective.

Also the same people who will say the US government can't manage healthcare in America, believe that same government can transform the polictical and economic order in other nations. It is another insane perspective.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Apparently you are good with the lives of women being totally suppressed, gays being thrown off buildings, people who helped us being butchered. We went in because of Afghanistan harboring the leadership who directed the 9/11 attacks. We should've been out long ago, but don't sit there all high and mighty talking about how we messed up an already *ed up country.
He’s self righteous
 
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