Taliban in control way to go Joe

refineryworker05

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I really can't wait for this fake outrage to be over and republicans to move on to the next fake outrage. We need out of that nation. I wish Obama would have gotten us out instead he escalated the war in certain aspects. Just a disaster and a failure from start to finish.
Also, trump met with the taliban last year in the white house.
 

Big Rigger

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You don't pull out all the troops, cut out air support to the Afghan military, before you get all civilians who helped us and their families out. And especially before getting out all American citizens. No matter who is president or what party they're in. This is right up there with Custer disregarding his scouts and taking on the Sioux. And may end up worse than 9/11.
Don't tell me that our spy planes and satélites weren't watching the massive Taliban advance. And did nothing about it except leave them some major weaponry for free that we paid billions for.
Forget impeaching Bidet.
Tar and feather him and his VP liar.
 

vantexan

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Don't tell me that our spy planes and satélites weren't watching the massive Taliban advance. And did nothing about it except leave them some major weaponry for free that we paid billions for.
Forget impeaching Bidet.
Tar and feather him and his VP liar.
OK, I won't tell you. I'd rather agree with you.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I really can't wait for this fake outrage to be over and republicans to move on to the next fake outrage. We need out of that nation. I wish Obama would have gotten us out instead he escalated the war in certain aspects. Just a disaster and a failure from start to finish.
Also, trump met with the taliban last year in the white house.
So? He negotiated a conditional release. THAT'S RIGHT, A REPUBLICAN WAS GETTING US OUT BUT YOUR BOY DIDN'T STICK TO THE PLAN!
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
One thing that has always struck me about American foreign policy is that a lot of Americans foolishly believe that what the American potus wants, or what military leadership wants in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Syria, is more important than what the citizens of those nation's want. It is an insane perspective.
Americans want to be safe from terrorism, and freedom and prosperity for Afghanistan helps achieve that.

Powerful violent groups of stone age islamonazi pedophiles in Afghanistan are opposed to that. Most people there are not.

You are siding with the evil terrorists.
Not surprising.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Americans want to be safe from terrorism, and freedom and prosperity for Afghanistan helps achieve that.

Powerful violent groups of stone age islamonazi pedophiles in Afghanistan are opposed to that. Most people there are not.

You are siding with the evil terrorists.
Not surprising.
Actually 99% in a poll taken there wanted Sharia law. If accurate we're just spinning our wheels.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
Actually 99% in a poll taken there wanted Sharia law. If accurate we're just spinning our wheels.
Yes I'm sure the pew research pollers got full disclosure from the tented women of Afghanistan.

Honestly I don't even care to have this argument. I don't give a damn if people there want to be murderous pedophiles. If we can stop that, we should.
 

rod

Retired 23 years
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El Correcto

god is dead
Bin Ladin was based there to hide from the West, but most Al-Qaeda operatives were Muslims from across the Muslim world. Bin Ladin himself was from a prominent Saudi family and most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. This is widely known. And Bin Laden was part of the effort to defeat the Soviets. When we invaded Iraq the people we were primarily fighting were Al-Qaeda which not only included mostly Iraqis but also Muslims from around the world including from the U.S. and Europe. They most likely included some Taliban but most were from other countries. Afghanistan will give these people a safe haven but we've a lot more to worry about with our own government having an open border policy which most likely has let some Muslim extremists in already.
You are still dancing circles around the fact they formed to help in an Afghan war, have deep ties to the taliban(Afghan government) and the Taliban refused to cut ties.
I’m not talking about individuals of course jihadist groups take in Muslims from all walks of life, I’m talking about the group itself. It was an Afghanistan based jihadi group, it’s undeniable.
 

vantexan

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You are still dancing circles around the fact they formed to help in an Afghan war, have deep ties to the taliban(Afghan government) and the Taliban refused to cut ties.
I’m not talking about individuals of course jihadist groups take in Muslims from all walks of life, I’m talking about the group itself. It was an Afghanistan based jihadi group, it’s undeniable.
The leadership was based there but can you show me one Afghani involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks? And the leadership fled after we invaded. We fought the Taliban, not Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
 

refineryworker05

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So? He negotiated a conditional release. THAT'S RIGHT, A REPUBLICAN WAS GETTING US OUT BUT YOUR BOY DIDN'T STICK TO THE PLAN!
I know you all are pretending to care about this because you belive it will hurt Biden politically, but honestly the deaths of those soldiers is a tragedy and Biden isn't above criticism, but the issue is we shouldn't have been there and the people who supported us being there are the ones who really fcked up 20 years ago and they need to take responsibility for supporting this war in the first place, and biden was one of those people who voted to authorize this war and he seem to have come to terms with being wrong about it during the Obama presidency 10 years ago. So in terms of getting us out, that is 100% the correct decision.
 

vantexan

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Yes I'm sure the pew research pollers got full disclosure from the tented women of Afghanistan.

Honestly I don't even care to have this argument. I don't give a damn if people there want to be murderous pedophiles. If we can stop that, we should.
We should stop dealing with mentalities from centuries past. Unless we're going to take the small children away to schools where they're civilized, as was done with Native Americans and Aborigines, they're not going to change anytime soon.
 

vantexan

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I know you all are pretending to care about this because you belive it will hurt Biden politically, but honestly the deaths of those soldiers is a tragedy and Biden isn't above criticism, but the issue is we shouldn't have been there and the people who supported us being there are the ones who really fcked up 20 years ago and they need to take responsibility for supporting this war in the first place, and biden was one of those people who voted to authorize this war and he seem to have come to terms with being wrong about it during the Obama presidency 10 years ago. So in terms of getting us out, that is 100% the correct decision.
You think we don't care about our fellow citizens getting stranded there with people looking to kill them? Seriously? The whole approach to leaving by the Biden administration was wrong and it wouldn't matter who was president I'd say the same thing, pure stupidity. What matters right now isn't whether we should've ever gotten into this war. What matters is getting them and our allies out safely. If there are brutal executions taking place after we leave are you going to ho hum that?
 

refineryworker05

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You think we don't care about our fellow citizens getting stranded there with people looking to kill them? Seriously? The whole approach to leaving by the Biden administration was wrong and it wouldn't matter who was president I'd say the same thing, pure stupidity. What matters right now isn't whether we should've ever gotten into this war. What matters is getting them and our allies out safely. If there are brutal executions taking place after we leave are you going to ho hum that?
No I know you don't care. And I don't care if you think Biden was wrong. I have no idea if the exist strategy was flawed, and I don't care if people criticize the exist strategy. All I know is I haven't read one way to leave that wouldn't have resulted in disaster. The issue is we shouldn't have been there for 20 years, and the people who supported this war 20 years ago which Biden was one of those people are to blame for the stuff going on today and should really take account of how they were so wrong about this war. Botttomline is we gotta get out of that nation.
 

vantexan

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No I know you don't care. And I don't care if you think Biden was wrong. I have no idea if the exist strategy was flawed, and I don't care if people criticize the exist strategy. All I know is I haven't read one way to leave that wouldn't have resulted in disaster. The issue is we shouldn't have been there for 20 years, and the people who supported this war 20 years ago which Biden was one of those people are to blame for the stuff going on today and should really take account of how they were so wrong about this war. Botttomline is we gotta get out of that nation.
You're not paying attention. I have been arguing with people here because I think getting out is the right thing to do. But do it the right way. And who are you to tell me I don't care? You're full of yourself. And full of :censored2:.
 
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