'No need for policy, there's law. In Canada it's the Freedom of Expression in the charter of rights. Inthe U.S. of A it's the freedom of rights in the constitution.
I'm pretty sure even UPS can not trump The Constitution of the United States. The biggest problem with that defense would be in getting the USSC to hear the case and the expenses of fighting the issue that far.'
Wow, I wish I could be sooooo ASSuming, you could assume that if you were required to work at UPS, youre not, so in the USA its what UPS says goes
The problem with this is, once put into effect (again), eventually somewhere it will not be enforced and the company will be right back to where they are right now. It does no good to put a policy into place and then not enforce. We have many of those now, including our contract.I exactly agree with the policy printed and handed out. Obviously some leeway needs to be given to those who have been working as is for quite sometime now with no problems.
They will need to tell people though that at some certain date......it's in full effect.
You guys are not listening very well. The right of the employer to set standards for the employees to meet has been upheld by the supreme court. Many times. So sue away, you have lost before you pay your first dime.
They have the right to set standards, and you have the right not to work there. Working there is an option, not a right.
You can express yourself all you want in your personal life, but at work, you must conform or they dont have to hire/work you.
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protected form of speech
Just curious , where is that right protected?So answer me this, is using foul language a protected form of speech?
Try it in front of a customer with kids and see how long your job lasts. Or at a school.
You can live your life as you see fit. That is your constitutional right. But UPS also has a constitutionally protected right to dictate how you will appear and act in dealing with our customers.
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Just curious , where is that right protected?
No need for policy, there's law. In Canada it's the Freedom of Expression in the charter of rights. Inthe U.S. of A it's the freedom of rights in the constitution.
This reminds me of a discussion I had a while back. Involved a two year old that could not understand that "no, hot" was not a suggestion, but a warning that would save the two year old some painful experiences.I'm pretty sure even UPS can not trump The Constitution of the United States. The biggest problem with that defense would be in getting the USSC to hear the case and the expenses of fighting the issue that far.
I still don't think it's right to expect someone hired with visible tats twenty years ago and NOW they learn they have to wear long sleeves and get overheated (I have worn long sleeves when the temp was above 100 before so please save me the BS)or find another job. Oh granted UPS has the right to do anything they please, but it doesn't make it right in a fair sense.As for this "retro" policy thing.... i.e. allowing those folks who think they were hired under the "it's OK to have a tattoo showing" policy or lack of one; those folks should not have any special allowances for tattoos. A reasonable accommodation should be made for any employee. Cover it up! Wear a flesh colored bandage or long pants and a long sleeve shirt... or a combination.
Don't forget the summertime - you won't die if you wear a long sleeve shirt. The shirt & pants actually protect you from the harmful affects of the sun and heat.
OH! Shame on those management folks who don't know how (or are too afraid of confrontation) to enforce the policy equally. Treat all your employees the same if you expect to get any respect!
This quote came from a section that interprets the language.
Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
The Constitution does protect the freedom of speech of every citizen, and even of non-citizens — but only from restriction by the Congress (and, by virtue of the 14th Amendment, by state legislatures, too). There are plenty of other places where you could speak but where speech can and is suppressed. For example, freedom of speech can be and often is restricted in a work place, for example: employers can restrict your right to speak in the work place about politics, about religion, about legal issues, even about Desperate Housewives. The same restrictions that apply to the government do not apply to private persons, employers, or establishments. For another example, the government could not prohibit the sale of any newspaper lest it breech the freedom of the press. No newsstand, however, must carry every paper against its owners' wishes.
Thanks to Dave Pullin for the idea.
http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#exp
In our center it's guys in Linden Center can get away with visible tats, and guys in Edison can't...the policy book says no visible tats..
but it is a flavor of the month here right now so its cover them,next month it will be something else.
So answer me this, is using foul language a protected form of speech?
Try it in front of a customer with kids and see how long your job lasts. Or at a school.
You can live your life as you see fit. That is your constitutional right. But UPS also has a constitutionally protected right to dictate how you will appear and act in dealing with our customers.
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Just curious , where is that right protected?
I have to cover my ink at my center. It is very "bible belt like" in my area. I have a buddy in New York that doesn't have to cover his. It is lame anyway. If someone cares that another person has tattoos then that person needs to get a life.