Ted Cruz announces... wait, im still laughing...! LOL

ImWaitingForTheDay

ImWaitingForTheDay

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oldngray said:
You continue to ignore the facts. He HAS to buy through his employer (US Government) now.
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What is his excuse for this sudden desertion of principles? "Well, it is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's—I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt."
Good ol' Ted - always willing to follow a law he claims is unconstitutional when it's convenient.
Definitely presidential material.
 
oldngray

oldngray

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So now you claim it is wrong to obey a law you don't like? He has said he will continue to attempt to get the law changed but until then will follow what the law requires.
 
Sportello

Sportello

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oldngray said:
So now you claim it is wrong to obey a law you don't like? He has said he will continue to attempt to get the law changed but until then will follow what the law requires.
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He is not compelled to use the exchange to buy health care, only if he wants the government to subsidize his cost.

Cruz is a very smart man, and knows how to pander to his base.
 
MAKAVELI

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http://thinkprogress.org/election/2...ly-required-sign-obamacare-hes-totally-wrong/
Cruz should consider the law more closely.
The Affordable Care Act does not compel members of Congress to enroll in DC’s health care exchange; it simply cuts off the government contribution to their insurance plans if they buy their policies elsewhere. “The final rule extends a Government contribution towards health benefits plans for Members of Congress and designated congressional staff so long as the health benefits plans are purchased via the appropriate SHOP as determined by the Director,” a summary of the final rule says. “Nothing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a different option for their health insurance coverage.”
In other words, Cruz “could purchase coverage in the outside market but would get no subsidy from the FEHBP program,” Tim Jost clarified for ThinkProgress, referring to the acronym for the federal health care program. “It seems like the primary other option he would have is to take advantage of COBRA through his wife, though he’d be forgoing the employer contribution. He could also buy non-group coverage,” Larry Levitt, Senior Vice President at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said. Cruz could also potentially purchased insurance through his presidential campaign’s presumptive health care insurance. In those instances, however, he would have had to give up his employer’s contribution and likely pay more for insurance than he is now being charged under Obamacare.
 
Sportello

Sportello

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sportello said:
He is not compelled to use the exchange to buy health care, only if he wants the government to subsidize his cost.

Cruz is a very smart man, and knows how to pander to his base.
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Are you disagreeing that he is smart, or disagreeing with the facts of the ACA?
 
boxwayne

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bottomups said:
He was born in Canada and therefore in my mind cannot be POTUS. I'm becoming a birther!
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His parents were American, doesn't matter where he was born therefor he has duel citizenship in Canada and the US. Think about how often our armed service members have kids overseas. It's the same thing.
 
oldngray

oldngray

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Update, Aug. 7, 2013: The Office of Personnel Management issued a proposed rule on Aug. 7 explaining that members of Congress and applicable congressional staff will be required to purchase health insurance coverage through the exchanges created by the law. However, according to the proposed rule, the federal government, as the employer, will still be able to make a contribution to health insurance premiums as it currently does. The contribution will be no greater than that now offered to members and their staffs under the FEHB program, and members and their staffs will not be eligible for premium tax credits made available to other persons purchasing health insurance through the exchanges.
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/

In Obamacare, Congress must buy insurance from marketplaces but president and his administration keep "gold-plated" coverage
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...are-congress-must-buy-insurance-marketplaces/
 
Sportello

Sportello

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The ACA does require members of Congress to purchase their health coverage through the exchanges, but if they buy their health coverage elsewhere, the government cuts off its contribution to their insurance plan.

An official summary of that provision of the ACA says that “(n)othing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a different option for their health insurance coverage.”

In other words, under Obamacare, Ted Cruz can insure his family any way he likes, but if he wants the government to shoulder part of the burden, he will have to use the exchanges.
 
BrownArmy

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Journalist Says Ted Cruz's Message Is Clear That 'Compromise Is For Losers'

Excellent radio show interview about Ted Cruz. If you care to spend thirty minutes you might learn some things.

Yes haters, it is on NPR - give it a whirl, you don't have to tell your friends.

Ted Cruz is a fiercely intelligent man, with a set of values curated from his fathers' experiences and his own experiences as a freshman lawyer and Supreme Court clerk.

Whether you agree with his set of ideas or not, he actually does have a coherent, logical set of values, and he has a plan.

I still don't think he'll get the nomination, although the NYT reported today that the
'evangelical right' and associated parties are committed to not making the same mistakes as previous elections, as in they don't like Jeb Bush because he's 'too moderate' so they want to coalesce around a candidate early and avoid the collateral damage of a drawn-out Republican nominee war.

I contend that Romney would have had a much better chance at winning the Presidency if he hadn't been dragged down in the nominee gutter fights...
 
Sportello

Sportello

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Huckabee stands a better chance than Cruz, and he stands no chance at all. There is not a viable Republican candidate, other than Jeb, and he can't win, either.
 
MrFedEx

MrFedEx

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BrownArmy said:
Journalist Says Ted Cruz's Message Is Clear That 'Compromise Is For Losers'

Excellent radio show interview about Ted Cruz. If you care to spend thirty minutes you might learn some things.

Yes haters, it is on NPR - give it a whirl, you don't have to tell your friends.

Ted Cruz is a fiercely intelligent man, with a set of values curated from his fathers' experiences and his own experiences as a freshman lawyer and Supreme Court clerk.

Whether you agree with his set of ideas or not, he actually does have a coherent, logical set of values, and he has a plan.

I still don't think he'll get the nomination, although the NYT reported today that the
'evangelical right' and associated parties are committed to not making the same mistakes as previous elections, as in they don't like Jeb Bush because he's 'too moderate' so they want to coalesce around a candidate early and avoid the collateral damage of a drawn-out Republican nominee war.

I contend that Romney would have had a much better chance at winning the Presidency if he hadn't been dragged down in the nominee gutter fights...
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GOP sources rank Cruz between 7th and 8th out of the potential contenders rendering him a VP choice at best. It's pretty scary to think that someone like Cruz could advance that high, because he's an extremist in several areas, especially when it comes to religion.

Nut job.
 
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MrFedEx said:
GOP sources rank Cruz between 7th and 8th out of the potential contenders rendering him a VP choice at best. It's pretty scary to think that someone like Cruz could advance that high, because he's an extremist in several areas, especially when it comes to religion.

Nut job.
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never heard of him burning anybody yet.
 
MrFedEx

MrFedEx

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sportello said:
Huckabee stands a better chance than Cruz, and he stands no chance at all. There is not a viable Republican candidate, other than Jeb, and he can't win, either.
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I agree. Huckabee has Maurice Clemmons hanging around his neck, and Jeb has Dubya around his. Rick Perry is still stupid, even with the new glasses, and Christie has some major baggage. Paul and Cruz are insane Tea Part zealots. Jindal is an Indian (read unelectable among racist Conservatives) whose real name is not "Bobby", and anyone else waiting in the wings falls into the same category as Paul and Cruz...lunatic fringe.

Hillary in 2016.
 
realbrown1

realbrown1

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sportello said:
The average wealth of a congress critter is over $1million. Cruz stands at $3.5 million.

He can afford healthcare without using healthcare.gov
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Big deal.

My net worth is close to a million bucks.

That doesn't !mean I'm rich living in So. Cal.
 
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