Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by soberups, Mar 11, 2009.

  1. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    The new "campaign" for this week is to reduce backing to an average of 12.5 backs per driver per day, to cut down on the distance backed, and to eliminate backing exceptions.

    These are all worthy goals, but the manner in which Telematics is gathering and interpreting the backing data needs to be addressed.

    I have always been taught that a backing exception is when you get into the vehicle, start it, and immediately shift into reverse. Apparently, Telematics also defines a backing exception as any instance where you put the vehicle into reverse within 200 ft of wherever the DIAD was when it last completed a stop.

    This makes a guy like me in an industrial park who backs up to a lot of docks look like a spanked ass on the report, especially if he drives a P-7 with swing out doors; Not only do I back to multiple docks that are close together, but I have to stop 3 feet short of the dock, open the doors, and then back up the rest of the way.

    This also punishes guys like me who pull pup trailers; the process of hooking, unhooking and installing the stinger in the hitch involves multiple backing exceptions. Also, a guy who backs a pup trailer up to a dock has to back a much longer distance to allow for straightening the trailer out; this is not at all unsafe in an industrial park with docks that are designed for use by semi trucks with 54 foot boxes.

    Another peeve; we are taught to curb our wheels when parking on a hill, of which my route has many. When facing uphill, this involves turning your wheels toward the street and then backing up a foot or so to allow he front tires to bite the curb. This counts as a "back" even though what I am really doing is following the correct methods to secure the vehicle and prevent a rollaway.

    I had the most backing exceptions and the second highest total number of backs in my center. I only back when absolutely necessary. It would be nice if Telematics could actually interpret what is happening rather than just spitting out a number.
  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    you could do this before clocking in. LOL
    Now that's funny.

    Perhaps pretzelman can get them to change the parameters in the telematics to get the right metrics.
  3. UPSNewbie

    UPSNewbie New Member

    Or if your management team didn't use it in such a way.
  4. overallowed

    overallowed Active Member

    I don't remember seeing this addresses in any other thread, and hope I'm not too far off base.
    Has anyone heard of a center having telematics and NOT having production bonus? Several of us at my center think this whole telematics business is something to slow us down to pay us less bonus. since telematics has been implemented, running under and making bonus has vitrually disappeared.
  5. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    Sounds like there is a corrolation here. Telematics forces drivers to use proper methods. Takes more time = less under allowed.

    No telematics, more cutting corners = more under allowed.

    Some how I don't think this has a whole lot to do with UPS not wanting to pay bonus. It is just a benefit of installing telematics.
  6. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    I back 35 times a day. Bring it on.
  7. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    I remember the statistics that stated that you were 9 times more likely to have an accident backing than going forward. Accidents cost money, reduce backing, reduce accidents, save money.
  8. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    I've heard similar stats. Backing accidents are #1 at our center. We have had so many of them here in the last 2 yrs.
  9. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    I'm about where you are. After reading about telematics, I counted my backs one day. I backed about 35-40 times out of 145 stops. 6-12? It takes me three backs to squeeze out of the lineup and another one to back out of the building. We don't know yet when this wonderful system will get to my Hub.

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    They bring it up for 2 weeks then they go to another "campaign"
    Same as over here.


    Just do the best you can, and it will be filed away.
  11. dirty moose

    dirty moose Member

    12.5?! are these guys bookies?! whats with the .5?
  12. outamyway

    outamyway New Member

    Management of all people should know that not all routes are the same.

    It's hard not to laugh at that statement:rofl:
  13. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    My management team is actually being quite reasonable and understanding...for now.

    Once Corporate starts turning the screws and imposing ever more impossible expectations, however....I have a hunch that their understanding attitude will go away.
  14. Dizzee

    Dizzee ɹǝqɯǝɯ ɹoıuǝs

    For the last week or so I have been working on eliminating as many backs as I can. One side effect of this is, I find myself making maneuvers that I ordinarily wouldn't attempt.

    One example is a stop of mine on a dead-end street. It has a tiny parking lot (always empty) at the end of it that I used to pull into, then back about 5', and then pull out. Now I u-turn in the lot, but, it's very tight. There's a light pole and a fence that are only inches away from the bumper while turning around.

    There's no doubt in my mind, that backing at this stop, and several others on my route, is safer than turning around.
  15. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    Dizzee, sometimes it is far safer to back than to not. Especially in the old 700/800's. Because of the no power steering in those old trucks I can't make a turn, where the guys wouldn't have any problem.
  16. feederdriver06

    feederdriver06 former monkey slave

    I guess you are supposed to back half way from a start point and stop mid-way to the dock, get out and walk the packages from the truck to the dock:funny: Really driver . . . . the .5 is an oversight by the brain trust who came up with their target number . . . . . should be either 12 or 13 but not in between:knockedout:
  17. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Hmmm, can't find anything in my contract book about backing too much.

    Guess I won't worry about it.
  18. pretzel_man

    pretzel_man Well-Known Member

    The system has no way to really know what an acceptable back is vs. an unacceptable one.

    So, they programmed in some logic that is probably generally correct. I'm not sure exactly what the rule is, and you may be right about the 200 feet.

    I always thought this was okay for measuring general center and driver improvement. It should NOT be used as an absolute measure.

    To really know if a backing event was correct, the supervisor should go into Google Earth and overlay the telematics data with the satellite view. Then the supervisor can make the determination instead of the computer.

  19. Hangingon

    Hangingon New Member

    Gotta have that report show 100% compliance so they look good to the DM.
  20. pretzel_man

    pretzel_man Well-Known Member

    They will be waiting forever. I think most know that.

    A select stupid few will try and do what you say.