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[UnionStrong]

Italy currently has 30000 of them

Why do we have so few and should capitalidm exist?

Yes

 

[vantexan]

Italy currently has 30000 of them

Why do we have so few and should capitalidm exist?

Italy is a capitalist country. Again, go start your own company with fellow co-workers.

 

[UnionStrong]

Italy currently has 30000 of them

Why do we have so few and should capitalidm exist?

What works in a country of 60 million, with a different system of government, wont necessarily work in a country of 350 million

 

[vantexan]

What works in a country of 60 million, with a different system of government, wont necessarily work in a country of 350 million

They could have a two or three person company and call it a co-op.

 

[UnionStrong]

They could have a two or three person company and call it a co-op.

Growing tomatoes and vegetables….lol

 

[rickyb]

They could have a two or three person company and call it a co-op.

Or its actually a coop bc they encourage it w laws like marcora law

 

[rickyb]

What works in a country of 60 million, with a different system of government, wont necessarily work in a country of 350 million

Lets try and see wat works

Current system not working too well

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Lets try and see wat works

Current system not working too well

It doesn't matter. The problem is that some people will always believe they deserve to have everything at the expense of everyone else. They will find a way to game any system to consolidate money and power. The only solution is to change the people. Capitalism is simply a better system for allowing people to invest in themselves and build something of their own, and resisting the funneling of all money and power into the hands of a few. It doesn't stop that process, just slows it down. Communism/socialism accelerates it.

 

[rickyb]

It doesn't matter. The problem is that some people will always believe they deserve to have everything at the expense of everyone else. They will find a way to game any system to consolidate money and power. The only solution is to change the people. Capitalism is simply a better system for allowing people to invest in themselves and build something of their own, and resisting the funneling of all money and power into the hands of a few. It doesn't stop that process, just slows it down. Communism/socialism accelerates it.

quite sure coops produce more equality than capitalism

mondragon prime example where elected execs only make 12x the lowest paid worker vs CEOs in america who do 350x

 

[zubenelgenubi]

quite sure coops produce more equality than capitalism

mondragon prime example where elected execs only make 12x the lowest paid worker vs CEOs in america who do 350x

Once again, co-ops are not incompatible with capitalism, they are simply an alternate company structure. Co-ops are not socialism any more than corporations are capitalism.

 

[rickyb]

Once again, co-ops are not incompatible with capitalism, they are simply an alternate company structure. Co-ops are not socialism any more than corporations are capitalism.

guys i listen to disagree. chomsky and wolff both say it is. but the word socialism as you know has a variety of meanings.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

guys i listen to disagree. chomsky and wolff both say it is. but the word socialism as you know has a variety of meanings.

Which makes coming to an understanding about it difficult. Now they're trying to call it stakeholder capitalism. None of it matters because, whatever anyone calls it, or whatever definition they use when using the term socialism, it only obscures the problem.

The real problem being the centralization of power vs the decentralization. People organize themselves into hierarchies naturally. It is a function of natural circumstances. There must exist a balance between centralizing decision making enough to be effective for the survival of the group, and not allowing that centralized decision making to be unaccountable to the group. That is at the core of the philosophy of the founding of the United States. One of the hurdles to holding power accountable is that power is good at convincing a large number of people that its actions are good and just, even when it is clear that what is happening is atrocious.

 

[rickyb]

Which makes coming to an understanding about it difficult. Now they're trying to call it stakeholder capitalism. None of it matters because, whatever anyone calls it, or whatever definition they use when using the term socialism, it only obscures the problem.

The real problem being the centralization of power vs the decentralization. People organize themselves into hierarchies naturally. It is a function of natural circumstances. There must exist a balance between centralizing decision making enough to be effective for the survival of the group, and not allowing that centralized decision making to be unaccountable to the group. That is at the core of the philosophy of the founding of the United States. One of the hurdles to holding power accountable is that power is good at convincing a large number of people that its actions are good and just, even when it is clear that what is happening is atrocious.

yea ive always thought power is the defining feature too and that using these words like socialism or capitalism obscures it too and ive realized this not long ago.

 

[rickyb]

 

[BigUnionGuy]

 

[UnionStrong]

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Accounts frozen

 

[rickyb]

Accounts frozen

I think hes being taken to court for that.

Think the feds r scared of a jan 6 repeat. Movements spread

 

[rickyb]

Trudeau no right to speak about democracy after govt froze donations and banks of trucker protesters

 

[rickyb]

i started youtube videos openly calling for a convoy to ottawa and protests everywhere for other issues

obviously just doing our jobs and entertaining ourselves to death when were not has been a colossal failure

 

[rickyb]

Mom paid 70000 in todays dollats for a big 1 br w a view in vancouver in 1980s

o how weve fallen