The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

[wilberforce15]

What? LOL

You said it's crazy to let people govern themselves.

I say why not go crazy and try it.

 

[Box Ox]

You said it's crazy to let people govern themselves.

I say why not go crazy and try it.

That's not how functional countries work. Sorry.

 

[wilberforce15]

That's not how functional countries work. Sorry.

So, we're here in America talking about how functional countries don't allow separation or self-government?

lololololololol

 

[wilberforce15]

I guess your idea of a functional country is Uncle Z-tran saying, "I'm here to make you an offer you can't refuse."

 

[vantexan]

They have the right to live there under Donbass self-government if they like, or they can leave.

So again it comes down to what the Russians want. The.Russians want self government. In your estimation the Ukrainians living among them have to accept that or leave. You're doing to those local Ukrainians exactly what you claim the Ukrainians are doing to the Russians. Never mind that the area already belongs to a sovereign country and the Ukrainians living there have rights too. Your sympathy for Russians is showing.

You know why there's such animosity towards Russians in the former Soviet republics? Because Russia shipped in millions of Russians who controlled everything. The wealth of those republics went to the Russians who lived there and to Mother Russia. And Putin can't stand the thought that Russians anywhere aren't the dominant group.

 

[Box Ox]

So, we're here in America talking about how functional countries don't allow separation or self-government?

lololololololol

I guess your idea of a functional country is Uncle Z-tran saying, "I'm here to make you an offer you can't refuse."

People don't just get to decide that they're leaving their own country to start a new country inside their own country's territory.

I guess your idea of a functional country is Uncle Z-tran saying, "I'm here to make you an offer you can't refuse."

You hard righties on here seem to have trannies on the mind a lotttttt. You're just another one of those hard right religious extremists who thinks the Russians are actually the saviors of Christian values and the white race, aren't you?

 

[vantexan]

The act of war was the North's invasion of a declared, sovereign, independent republic.

Firing on the attacker was defense.

The North hadn't invaded at that point. Fort Sumter was a Federal installation as much as Ft. Hood in Texas is today. You're a bit sketchy on history, huh?

 

[wilberforce15]

So again it comes down to what the Russians want. The.Russians want self government. In your estimation the Ukrainians living among them have to accept that or leave. You're doing to those local Ukrainians exactly what you claim the Ukrainians are doing to the Russians. Never mind that the area already belongs to a sovereign country and the Ukrainians living there have rights too. Your sympathy for Russians is showing.

You know why there's such animosity towards Russians in the former Soviet republics? Because Russia shipped in millions of Russians who controlled everything. The wealth of those republics went to the Russians who lived there and to Mother Russia. And Putin can't stand the thought that Russians anywhere aren't the dominant group.

Yes, the majority people group in a given area gets to determine its governance.

#sorrynotsorry

 

[vantexan]

People don't just get to decide that they're leaving their own country to start a new country inside their own country's territory.



You hard righties on here seem to have trannies on the mind a lotttttt. You're just another one of those hard right religious extremists who thinks the Russians are actually the saviors of Christian values and the white race, aren't you?

If we are conservative, believe in God, does that make us extremists?

 

[wilberforce15]

The North hadn't invaded at that point. Fort Sumter was a Federal installation as much as Ft. Hood in Texas is today. You're a bit sketchy on history, huh?

After they left the union, it wasn't a federal installation any more.

 

[wilberforce15]

People don't just get to decide that they're leaving their own country to start a new country inside their own country's territory.



You hard righties on here seem to have trannies on the mind a lotttttt. You're just another one of those hard right religious extremists who thinks the Russians are actually the saviors of Christian values and the white race, aren't you?

The hero of the world dances with penises for fun.

Why would I not nickname him for that?

 

[vantexan]

Yes, the majority people group in a given area gets to determine its governance.

#sorrynotsorry

OK, the majority in the sovereign nation of Ukraine are Ukrainian. They get to determine governance. By your logic the Ukrainians in the Donbas get to declare their independence from their.Russian overlords. Again, anarchy.

 

[wilberforce15]

OK, the majority in the sovereign nation of Ukraine are Ukrainian. They get to determine governance. By your logic the Ukrainians in the Donbas get to declare their independence from their.Russian overlords. Again, anarchy.

Yes, and they can run Ukraine.

Not Donbass.

 

[Box Ox]

If we are conservative, believe in God, does that make us extremists?

Nope. I think you and I have minimally gone over the difference between Christians and Putinista "Christians" before.

The hero of the world dances with penises for fun.

Why would I not nickname him for that?

I certainly would if penis were on my mind all the time. So I can't blame you.

 

[wilberforce15]

OK, the majority in the sovereign nation of Ukraine are Ukrainian. They get to determine governance. By your logic the Ukrainians in the Donbas get to declare their independence from their.Russian overlords. Again, anarchy.

"My logic"

Glad to hear you so thoroughly repudiate the founders of your country.

And your state.

"Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..."

Not subject to Congress. Or the President. Or the supreme court. Or the United States military.
Subject to the Constitution.

Texas reserved for itself the right to interpret the Constitution, and to reassert its absolute sovereignty whenever it finds the 'union' to be a poor safeguard for its liberty.

@vantexan is a FAKE Texan.

 

[vantexan]

After they left the union, it wasn't a federal installation any more.

Who says they get to claim military installations for themselves? OK, y'all pack up and leave. And again you're defending people who were resisting giving up their slaves. Hey, should the slaves have told their masters they are free and will govern themselves? Would've been great but we know what would've happened. By your estimation the white Southerners had the right.to life, liberty, and happiness but the slaves didn't. No wonder you admire Putin so.

 

[wilberforce15]

Who says they get to claim military installations for themselves? OK, y'all pack up and leave. And again you're defending people who were resisting giving up their slaves. Hey, should the slaves have told their masters they are free and will govern themselves? Would've been great but we know what would've happened. By your estimation the white Southerners had the right.to life, liberty, and happiness but the slaves didn't. No wonder you admire Putin so.

Have you ever even read the Constitution?

On what basis do you throw the south under the bus, and not every member of the first Congress?
The Constitution is just as racist as the South was. lol.

 

[vantexan]

"My logic"

Glad to hear you so thoroughly repudiate the founders of your country.

And your state.

"Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..."

Not subject to Congress. Or the President. Or the supreme court. Or the United States military.
Subject to the Constitution.

Texas reserved for itself the right to interpret the Constitution, and to reassert its absolute sovereignty whenever it finds the 'union' to be a poor safeguard for its liberty.

@vantexan is a FAKE Texan.

Well duh, being subject to the Constitution makes you subject to those bodies. Are you claiming Texas is a separate country and only loosely affiliated with the U.S.? Hasn't been a seperate country.since 1845 if I remember right.

 

[vantexan]

Have you ever even read the Constitution?

On what basis do you throw the south under the bus, and not every member of the first Congress?
The Constitution is just as racist as the South was. lol.

Well aware of how slaves were counted. And also aware that the country progressed to the point that they in good conscience could.no longer condone slavery.

 

[wilberforce15]

Well duh, being subject to the Constitution makes you subject to those bodies. Are you claiming Texas is a separate country and only loosely affiliated with the U.S.? Hasn't been a seperate country.since 1845 if I remember right.

No, it actually doesn't.

Texas reserved for itself the right to repudiate the combined judgments of Congress, the President, the Supreme Court, and threats from the military.

That's why it says subject ONLY to the Constitution. That's what it agreed to. And Texas can determine when the union's government has exceeded those bounds, and leave or refuse to comply.

That's what it meant.

Boy, an illiterate, disloyal Texan.

Sam Houston is rolling in his grave.