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Bad Moon Risen'
Do the Hawaiian people have a right to sovereignty?


In 1993, the U.S. Congress passed the Apology Bill in which it is acknowledged that "...the indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum ...

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UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Do the Hawaiian people have a right to sovereignty?


In 1993, the U.S. Congress passed the Apology Bill in which it is acknowledged that "...the indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum ...

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BigGuy2732

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You're always assuming the ones trying to hold the country together are the tyrants. Not necessarily. The Confederacy for example was clinging to slavery. There's really nothing more tyrannical than that. And they were willing to kill for it.

Vantexan is honestly insufferable. He thinks ww2 was about Hitler and the war of northern aggression was about slavery. Homeboy read his history book in 6th grade and was like, “yup, this is the truth right here.”
 

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Vantexan is honestly insufferable. He thinks ww2 was about Hitler and the war of northern aggression was about slavery. Homeboy read his history book in 6th grade and was like, “yup, this is the truth right here.”
North should have let Sherman on the loose for a couple more years.
 

BigGuy2732

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North should have let Sherman on the loose for a couple more years.

The south looked at the north as brothers, didn’t take seriously the threat, or just how genocidal the people funding the war on the northern side were. They could have marched to DC and it would’ve been over. Every time the left wins in these decisive battles of morality, it’s because the right side cucked and didn’t genocide them first.
 

Box Ox

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Sad. He's served his purpose. And if he had a competent VP the Democrats could fall back on he'd probably be able to resign and watch the mid-term election returns from a beach somewhere.

No Democrat who's honest with themselves about Biden's mental state would blame him for stepping down.

North should have let Sherman on the loose for a couple more years.

I'm just glad my Confederate ancestors lost the war and couldn't continue to own their slaves. They were brave but they weren't right.
 

BigGuy2732

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Sad. He's served his purpose. And if he had a competent VP the Democrats could fall back on he'd probably be able to resign and watch the mid-term election returns from a beach somewhere.

No Democrat who's honest with themselves about Biden's mental state would blame him for stepping down.



I'm just glad my Confederate ancestors lost the war and couldn't continue to own their slaves. They were brave but they weren't right.

Chattel slavery is immoral but it was being phased out by automation anyway. The war wasn’t about slavery. This was a holy war of the puritan north vs the high church Episcopalian south. It was just another blood feud that went back to Cromwell vs the puritans in England.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Chattel slavery is immoral but it was being phased out by automation anyway. The war wasn’t about slavery. This was a holy war of the puritan north vs the high church Episcopalian south. It was just another blood feud that went back to Cromwell vs the puritans in England.
Don’t you get tired of being wrong? SMDH
 

Jkloc420

Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
Sad. He's served his purpose. And if he had a competent VP the Democrats could fall back on he'd probably be able to resign and watch the mid-term election returns from a beach somewhere.

No Democrat who's honest with themselves about Biden's mental state would blame him for stepping down.



I'm just glad my Confederate ancestors lost the war and couldn't continue to own their slaves. They were brave but they weren't right.
Dems have no bench
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
Vantexan is honestly insufferable. He thinks ww2 was about Hitler and the war of northern aggression was about slavery.
Chattel slavery is immoral but it was being phased out by automation anyway. The war wasn’t about slavery.

Slavery seems to be a pretty recurring theme in the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States. For example:


Mississippi

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution
commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.


It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality
, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it."
 

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Bad Moon Risen'
Sad. He's served his purpose. And if he had a competent VP the Democrats could fall back on he'd probably be able to resign and watch the mid-term election returns from a beach somewhere.

No Democrat who's honest with themselves about Biden's mental state would blame him for stepping down.



I'm just glad my Confederate ancestors lost the war and couldn't continue to own their slaves. They were brave but they weren't right.
If they can talk Joe into retirement they might want to send this lady with him.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Slavery seems to be a pretty recurring theme in the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States. For example:


Mississippi

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution
commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.


It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality
, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it."
Mississippi had the most slaves and the largest plantations in the entire south. It was particularly well suited for growing cotton. The southern US had the 3rd largest GDP in the world. Mississippi pushed for secession years before it actually happened.
 
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