Time to abolish left vs right

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by 804brown, May 15, 2013.

  1. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I agree---I prefer "us" vs "them".
  3. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    As the founders intended and the Constitution is supposed to ensure.
  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Of course, it could be as simple as black and white.
  5. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Controlled opposition is only necessary for a ruling class.
  6. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    You want all people to think alike???? How boring that would be. A bunch of walking dead zombies. That would be like only blue in the 64 color Crayola box!! Even a 3 year old wants more than that.
  7. I Am Jacks Damaged Box

    I Am Jacks Damaged Box Well-Known Member

    In the meantime we can add a little truth in advertising and change our name to the Divided States of America.

  8. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    Well at least we all can agree that we are united about the fact that we are divided. LOL
  9. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    Thanks in part(a LARGE PART) to probably the most divisive president ever. His own words as well as actions back up this claim.
  10. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

  11. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member


    I do not agree with your views most of the time ---but on Politicians --we are united.

    Look at the Teamsters and UPS. Both sides sat down and negotiated an agreement that will enable the company to continue to grow and prosper while protecting union jobs.

    Why has the Government not hammered out solutuions to the Debt, Spending, Creating jobs, fixing the economy, real healthcare solutions ,Education reform,Tax reform etc etc. ?

    By not creating real solutions --they have job security,keep their power, live like Kings and Queens--tell us how lucky we are to have them "serving" us while they make sure that me and you will agree on very little --and root blindly for one side or the other --no matter what they do ----TOS and moreluck are good examples of this.:sick:
  12. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    [FONT=Arial, Georgia, sans-serif]"One growing series of protests has been the “Moral Monday” demonstrations in North Carolina. They do not have ‘one demand’ but rather are challenging the systemic corruption, undermining of democracy and misdirection of a state government that puts human needs second to corporate profits – which they have dubbed ‘Robin Hood in Reverse.’"[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, Georgia, sans-serif]Speaking of corruption, whats the point of this all over the place article? Is there one particular part of it you had in mind for us to read? If it's the part I've posted here, no s***, a Robin hood mentality for any government, forward or reverse is hardly a successful or moral way to govern. [/FONT]​
  13. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    I don't root bllndly.........normally I'm against every word that comes out of Rangel's mouth. He was quite angry In the irs hearings. Good job Charlie!
    Tomorrow he may put his foot in it again, but the hearing day was exceptional.
    I do weigh each situation.....it just turns out I'm on the one side most of the time.......... I will never accept the ACLU just like many Teamsters don't accept the TDU.
  14. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Well if you are against the ACLU, then you are engaged in a War on Christmas.

    Like with Rangel, maybe you should open your mind just a little bit farther.
  15. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    Thanks for spelling Christmas correctly - ya know, unlike most who are trying to eradicate most references to it from society ;)
  16. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Your welcome and besides, the vast, vast, vast majority of christians don't understand nor practice the real Christmas traditions anyway. If they did, they'd either abandon Christianity or abandon the practice of Christmas.
  17. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    Hardly. It's no secret Dec 25 is hardly the day Jesus of Nazareth born. It was originally a day pagan gods where celebrated, so purposefully chosen by early church elders to celebrate the birth of Jesus. Centuries later multiple millions of people world wide celebrate the birth of the Jewish carpenter from Nazareth but most have all but forgotten the pagan false gods.
  18. texan

    texan Well-Known Member

    This is because they threw the baby out with the bath water. hmmm that might not be the
    best way to put it.

    The early leaders, after the original witnesses, and their decendents passed and were killed, shunned
    all things Jewish and or Torah.

    The Most High, had certain dates. They are called the Feast days. The Jews were commanded to
    observe them forever.

    Pesach / Passover was when Jesus / Yeshua was sacrificed and died.

    Shavout / Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out.

    So some with Jewish understanding point to Succot or Feast of Tabernacles as His birth time.

    The one clue in the accounts is in Luke, the 6 month of term of John the Baptist and His Father a High Priest,
    and Mary visiting her cousin, are clues to those who really want to know and search with an open heart.

    I do not know that I know, but to me, it was not 25 December.

    I never argue about this, but to those that really want to know, seek the whole record openly
    and do not shun that Jesus / Yeshua was a 100 percent Jewish man, not a blue eyed
    light skinned, light brown haired caucasian.

    Man talk about a thread derail.

  19. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    It is going to have to get much worse for the 2 establishment parties to get things done. Too much hate and distrust of the other side (not TOS).Too much gotcha politics and made up "scandals". Too much worrying about presidential politics or midterms, etc. When they do agree these days its to take away our rights or reward their wealthy powerful benefactors. They stopped working for the 99%!! The two party system is a game they play and the same wealthy powerful own both establishment parties. As a Green/Socialist/Progressive, I feel mostly left out of the mainstream debates. I feel engaged and hopeful only when groups like OWS are out there speaking truth to power (i know you probably hate them but they are our only hope for progress)...especially when I can join them directly. Otherwise we are stuck yelling and screaming and posting at each other...going nowhere fast!!
  20. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    I hope the "occupy" folks all volunteer for that Mars project......herd thinning!!!