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vantexan

Well-Known Member
Yet again doesn’t matter. All that mattered was toppling the taliban and setting up a US backed government with the support of our European allies that would keep out sponsors of international terrorism against the west.

You people lost the plot with the popular talking point about Bin Ladin, that’s simple minded thinking.
Do you think if we completely controlled the Taliban in Afghanistan they wouldn't turn up somewhere else? I don't think you appreciate the power of fundamentalist belief among these people. And would encourage terrorism in the West as long as we occupied to them their sacred homeland.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Do you think if we completely controlled the Taliban in Afghanistan they wouldn't turn up somewhere else? I don't think you appreciate the power of fundamentalist belief among these people. And would encourage terrorism in the West as long as we occupied to them their sacred homeland.
So do nothing. Okay bold approach, let’s see how it works out.

Actually do less than nothing, supply them with billions if not trillions of US subsidies by allowing them to retake the country, when all we had to do is maintain a little intervention to hold the country indefinitely while the population grows and evolves into something more moderate.

Sure it might take longer than 20-40 even a hundred years. But it gets easier the longer you do it.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
So do nothing. Okay bold approach, let’s see how it works out.

Actually do less than nothing, supply them with billions if not trillions of US subsidies by allowing them to retake the country, when all we had to do is maintain a little intervention to hold the country indefinitely while the population grows and evolves into something more moderate.

Sure it might take longer than 20-40 even a hundred years. But it gets easier the longer you do it.
How do you know that it would? These are the same people who held out against the British and Russians also. We took control of the country, forced the Taliban out, got rid of Bin Laden. We should've left then. It seems to really bother you to "lose" but sometimes you just have to walk away.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
How do you know that it would? These are the same people who held out against the British and Russians also. We took control of the country, forced the Taliban out, got rid of Bin Laden. We should've left then. It seems to really bother you to "lose" but sometimes you just have to walk away.
Not really. What bothers me is the country of origin for the 9/11 plots is back to being led by a sponsor of international jihad against the west.
It’s completely stupid, stupider than the people in here rallying against US interests in Ukraine, against the people of Ukraine and in favor of Russia.

Isolationists are completely stupid and their ideology goes against the reality of US foreign policy. They are radicals that are going to get alot of innocent people murdered.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Not really. What bothers me is the country of origin for the 9/11 plots is back to being led by a sponsor of international jihad against the west.
It’s completely stupid, stupider than the people in here rallying against US interests in Ukraine, against the people of Ukraine and in favor of Russia.

Isolationists are completely stupid and their ideology goes against the reality of US foreign policy. They are radicals that are going to get alot of innocent people murdered.
I've never said be an isolationist. And Afghanis harbored the 9/11 plotters but didn't mastermind it. There was some friction over time between the two groups and al-Qaeda leadership left eventually. The bigger question is why do we fund Pakistan after they supplied the Taliban and harbored bin Laden?
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Greece? They broke the bank and had to implement austerity measures demanded by the IMF and EU in order to get some assistance.
No they didnt. The banks got bailed out again, and the nazis stole their gold.

Its just another vicious attack on the working class
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I've never said be an isolationist. And Afghanis harbored the 9/11 plotters but didn't mastermind it. There was some friction over time between the two groups and al-Qaeda leadership left eventually. The bigger question is why do we fund Pakistan after they supplied the Taliban and harbored bin Laden?
That’s why al qaeda now holds public office in the new taliban government? Why they are still hand and hand?
No Pakistan is not the bigger question, you’re lying and deflecting.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
That’s why al qaeda now holds public office in the new taliban government? Why they are still hand and hand?
No Pakistan is not the bigger question, you’re lying and deflecting.
SOME al-Qaeda people hold office. And Pakistan, a nuclear power, double dealing us is a bigger issue. Al-Qaeda hasn't been an issue since we removed the brains of their organization.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
It is always fun to watch a fighting force after they gain control of some place.
Sure they all think that since they were used to controlling a small area that a whole country would be the same.
First thing to suffer is basic services which causes all sorts of additional problems.
Think of it as a small snow ball rolling down a hill, it just gets bigger and bigger.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
SOME al-Qaeda people hold office. And Pakistan, a nuclear power, double dealing us is a bigger issue. Al-Qaeda hasn't been an issue since we removed the brains of their organization.
Oh okay only some, lmao. The absolute state of you copium addicted isolationists.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Are working class standards down or up in greece since the crisis?

Answer : down!
The Greek government borrowed heavily from banks not only in Greece but all over to pay for all those benefits ricky. Sooner or later the bill comes due. They couldn't service their debt. Had to accept austerity measures which made a lot of Greeks unhappy. Want fantastic government paid benefits? You have to start with a very strong economy. Even then only within reason. Some people are like children who pitch a fit when their parents won't buy them candy. Candy, ice cream, all the sweets should be limited, not the main focus of diet. Same with benefits. Get across the board solid jobs. Then you can start talking about the government assisting with various things.
 

BigGuy2732

Well-Known Member
The win is because people aren’t going to die for gay pride parades. But people will die for God and Allah. Religion is being resurrected by Russia and China as a societal component. It is going to be necessary in order to defeat the west. This is why the Taliban won. Because Allah is stronger than gay pride parades.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
The win is because people aren’t going to die for gay pride parades. But people will die for God and Allah. Religion is being resurrected by Russia and China as a societal component. It is going to be necessary in order to defeat the west. This is why the Taliban won. Because Allah is stronger than gay pride parades.

So you're simply a part of the American hard right that wants to be ruled by an authoritarian strong man daddy who will "uphold Christian values." That's what the support for Putin is really all about for you and the Russia defenders on here.

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Unfortunately there are not many hero's willing to stand up to Russia right now.
He’s not standing up for anything he’s hiding like Trudeau when the convoy came. Letting his people die in a conflict they can’t win so he can look like a hero and hoping against hope the USA is dumb enough to get involved cuz God knows nobody else will…he’s a dirtbag
 
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