Union - is it Socialism?

[rickyb]

It would seem to me that getting that news from the institution that the city itself commissioned to do the study would be a good place to start.

i have no idea, cities are corrupt. i have some economists i trust. im sure they are in favor of increasing washingtons min wage.

 

[rickyb]

I do not want to work at a co op. Wages are low. It breeds constant conflict. I would rather have profit sharing similar to how Native American tribes do it.

All this time you’ve talked about co ops. Have you ever thought of maybe SHOWING us how it works by starting just one? You could tell us about your experience, and how great it is.

Not regurgitating someone else’s opinion on how great they would be. When they, themselves have no experience with them either.

theses arent opinions, theres tons of coops already, wars were fought over worker control, and these economists have been to the coops themselves. its a very old idea.

your getting lower wages with capitalism because workers are being profitted off of.

 

[Yaba Daba Do]

If the worlds largest economy in the world didn't have the worlds most powerful military do you think other countries would just watch us from a distance with envy. In all of human existence there has never been a period where one group is not fighting another. If we were strong economically but weak militarily how long do you think it would be before china and russia want their piece of the pie? How long before Iran developed a nuclear weapon and used it? People think we could just stop funding the military and use the money for social programs. That might work for a short period of time but it wouldn't be very long before you would have to learn a new language.

I don't think building a strong military means maintaining and fueling multi-billion dollar jets so they can then bomb a poor family in the middle east every week.
It's literally analogous to UPS spending. But also deadly and infuriating.

Less spending does not have to mean worse emergency response plans. I recall reading about a plan to cut maintenance and upgrade systems so that 33 billion could be saved every year AND would benefit cyber security. Cut $3000 to every homeless person and I would be just fine.

Maybe trump could apologize to literally every citizen in the middle east too. Since our TSA is just a facade anyways and we continue to terrorize somebody, somewhere, almost daily. Diplomacy -> peace -> less money spent on bombing people.

Obama cut spending for his 8 years in office and where did that get us? The Air Force alone is 24% short of the fighters it needs. It is also short 1000 pilots and 3000 maintainers. Only 4 of the 32 combat coded squadrons are ready to execute wartime missions.
It’s funny how you say trump should apologize to the middle eastern citizens like Obama, bush, Clinton, and so on didn’t do the same thing.

 

[Yaba Daba Do]

If the worlds largest economy in the world didn't have the worlds most powerful military do you think other countries would just watch us from a distance with envy. In all of human existence there has never been a period where one group is not fighting another. If we were strong economically but weak militarily how long do you think it would be before china and russia want their piece of the pie? How long before Iran developed a nuclear weapon and used it? People think we could just stop funding the military and use the money for social programs. That might work for a short period of time but it wouldn't be very long before you would have to learn a new language.

I don't think building a strong military means maintaining and fueling multi-billion dollar jets so they can then bomb a poor family in the middle east every week.
It's literally analogous to UPS spending. But also deadly and infuriating.

Less spending does not have to mean worse emergency response plans. I recall reading about a plan to cut maintenance and upgrade systems so that 33 billion could be saved every year AND would benefit cyber security. Cut $3000 to every homeless person and I would be just fine.

Maybe trump could apologize to literally every citizen in the middle east too. Since our TSA is just a facade anyways and we continue to terrorize somebody, somewhere, almost daily. Diplomacy -> peace -> less money spent on bombing people.

If the worlds largest economy in the world didn't have the worlds most powerful military do you think other countries would just watch us from a distance with envy. In all of human existence there has never been a period where one group is not fighting another. If we were strong economically but weak militarily how long do you think it would be before china and russia want their piece of the pie? How long before Iran developed a nuclear weapon and used it? People think we could just stop funding the military and use the money for social programs. That might work for a short period of time but it wouldn't be very long before you would have to learn a new language.

what about americas nuclear weapons. has iran violently invaded countries like america in the past 70 years?

yes there would be a chinese empire if it werent for the american. but your not defending anything noble.

It would seem to me that getting that news from the institution that the city itself commissioned to do the study would be a good place to start.

i have no idea, cities are corrupt. i have some economists i trust. im sure they are in favor of increasing washingtons min wage.

It seems that the only sources you would trust are ones that agree with your conclusions.

 

[rickyb]

It seems that the only sources you would trust are ones that agree with your conclusions.

no no, i got most of my conclusions from professionals. ironically guys on here accuse me of not thinking LOL

 

[rickyb]

Obama cut spending for his 8 years in office and where did that get us? The Air Force alone is 24% short of the fighters it needs. It is also short 1000 pilots and 3000 maintainers. Only 4 of the 32 combat coded squadrons are ready to execute wartime missions.
It’s funny how you say trump should apologize to the middle eastern citizens like Obama, bush, Clinton, and so on didn’t do the same thing.

america has an excess of war equipment. i think its more than next 22 countries combined.

FYI, dept of defense used to be called dept of war. more honest.

 

[rickyb]

capitalism turns humans into environmental cannibals:

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. - agent smith

 

[OrionsBitch]

I don't think building a strong military means maintaining and fueling multi-billion dollar jets so they can then bomb a poor family in the middle east every week.
It's literally analogous to UPS spending. But also deadly and infuriating.

Less spending does not have to mean worse emergency response plans. I recall reading about a plan to cut maintenance and upgrade systems so that 33 billion could be saved every year AND would benefit cyber security. Cut $3000 to every homeless person and I would be just fine.

Maybe trump could apologize to literally every citizen in the middle east too. Since our TSA is just a facade anyways and we continue to terrorize somebody, somewhere, almost daily. Diplomacy -> peace -> less money spent on bombing people.

You're both right and wrong in this. I an very Libertarian in general but especially when it comes to military spending. I believe we could pull out of 90% of the places we are in. We don't need bases all over the world and I'm we don't need a large standing army. I think we waste far too much on the military trying to police the world. Let people be.

The primary focus should be protecting our Homeland. And I have no problem with limiting access of individuals from specific countries. If someone wants to pay us to help them defend their country, fine. But we shouldn't be footing the bill.

I think we should have a mandatory 3 month basic training for everyone graduating highschool. Yes this would cost money, but it would be far less than what we spend now. Then if we need the military we call them up. But this also isn't completely necessary.

You can't just give money to homeless people...that's pointless and doesn't help them...

 

[OrionsBitch]

america has an excess of war equipment. i think its more than next 22 countries combined.

FYI, dept of defense used to be called dept of war. more honest.

No America has an excess of outdate broken down war equipment.

 

[OrionsBitch]

what about americas nuclear weapons. has iran violently invaded countries like america in the past 70 years?

yes there would be a chinese empire if it werent for the american. but your not defending anything noble.

Iran would and a few other countries would use their nukes if nobody else had them. I understand saying not everyone is evil. But evil does exist and there are evil countries who wish harm on others. You can have peace through strength.

 

[1989]

theses arent opinions, theres tons of coops already, wars were fought over worker control, and these economists have been to the coops themselves. its a very old idea.

your getting lower wages with capitalism because workers are being profitted off of.

You have never said anything most people haven’t already heard. Get your co op running already.

 

[rickyb]

No America has an excess of outdate broken down war equipment.

you basically agree with me.

 

[rickyb]

You have never said anything most people haven’t already heard. Get your co op running already.

the capitalists and govenment keep the mass population economically stupified. the title and debate in this forum before i got involved is an example.

 

[rickyb]

Iran would and a few other countries would use their nukes if nobody else had them. I understand saying not everyone is evil. But evil does exist and there are evil countries who wish harm on others. You can have peace through strength.

the most dangerous countries in the world are saudi arabia, america, israel, maybe UK. im talking about world wide polls, not my opinion.

you dont have peace through strength, you have war through aggression

 

[Yaba Daba Do]

Iran would and a few other countries would use their nukes if nobody else had them. I understand saying not everyone is evil. But evil does exist and there are evil countries who wish harm on others. You can have peace through strength.

the most dangerous countries in the world are saudi arabia, america, israel, maybe UK. im talking about world wide polls, not my opinion.

you dont have peace through strength, you have war through aggression

Do you have a source for this because I have found several that seem to disagree. I know you have your own special sources that you trust so I’d like to give you an opportunity to post one first.

 

[rickyb]

Do you have a source for this because I have found several that seem to disagree. I know you have your own special sources that you trust so I’d like to give you an opportunity to post one first.

yea its the "which country is the greatest threat to world peace" poll. they asked 60 countries. america was overwhelmingly and deservedly #1

 

[OrionsBitch]

Do you have a source for this because I have found several that seem to disagree. I know you have your own special sources that you trust so I’d like to give you an opportunity to post one first.

A source on if evil people exist? Lol really?

 

[rickyb]

A source on if evil people exist? Lol really?

keep your head in the sand

 

[Yaba Daba Do]

Do you have a source for this because I have found several that seem to disagree. I know you have your own special sources that you trust so I’d like to give you an opportunity to post one first.

yea its the "which country is the greatest threat to world peace" poll. they asked 60 countries. america was overwhelmingly and deservedly #1

Fair enough but you have to look at who they are asking. Of course countries in the Middle East, where they chant death to America and burn the American flag while committing honor killings and funding terrorism, are going to say America. I also find it strange that Mexico and Central America say it is America as well yet we can seem to stop them from coming here illegally and trying to sneak in.

 

[Yaba Daba Do]

Australia was a little surprising though.