USPS delivering on Labor Day.

[DOK]

One does not equal another. Our profit margins would soar if the union disappeared because we would have absolutely no reason to pay or provide the benefits we do. Production would drop, but costs per driver would decrease, so we could do the same at a lower cost.

"Absolutely no reason to pay or provide the benefits we do"
Are you paying them out of your pocket? The quality of work would plummet exponentially if the pay and benefits weren't what they are. The workforce would not put up with telematics, Orion, forced overtime, etc. so much I can't name.
Supervisors pay and benefits wouldn't be what they are without the union contract. A rising tide lifts all boats...

 

[FrigidFTSup]

The union gives the company a fixed costs regarding pay, benefits, pension etc. for the life of the contract. I'd say that benefits the company.

There is nothing fixed about labor costs unless you are salary.

 

[FrigidFTSup]

"Absolutely no reason to pay or provide the benefits we do"
Are you paying them out of your pocket? The quality of work would plummet exponentially if the pay and benefits weren't what they are. The workforce would not put up with telematics, Orion, forced overtime, etc. so much I can't name.
Supervisors pay and benefits wouldn't be what they are without the union contract. A rising tide lifts all boats...

Lets do some quick math here.

A top rate driver making 37 bucks an hour can do 20 SPORH (just a nice round number). The cost for the company for each stop comes out to $1.85, not including benefits.

A driver that we may higher had we not had the driver above would start at $18, still higher than most FedEx ground drivers, lets say he can only do 12 SPORH. That's $1.50 per stop. That adds up. Not to mention the contribution to their benefits would be substantially less.

Not to mention telematics is used to extract as much production as we can out of drivers. It's about safety, but the data also helps develop new methods to save time. When you're paying a guy $18 you care a lot less about his production standards than if he makes almost double that.

 

[burrheadd]

Lets do some quick math here.

A top rate driver making 37 bucks an hour can do 20 SPORH (just a nice round number). The cost for the company for each stop comes out to $1.85, not including benefits.

A driver that we may higher had we not had the driver above would start at $18, still higher than most FedEx ground drivers, lets say he can only do 12 SPORH. That's $1.50 per stop. That adds up. Not to mention the contribution to their benefits would be substantially less.

Not to mention telematics is used to extract as much production as we can out of drivers. It's about safety, but the data also helps develop new methods to save time. When you're paying a guy $18 you care a lot less about his production standards than if he makes almost double that.

As long as your guy shows up
Their are lots of $18 an hour jobs

 

[Star B]

If we had the stop density to support 20 SPORH they'd demand it from us while not paying anywhere near that rate.... just saying..

 

[Staydryitsraining]

If you wanna know what production looks like with lower pay, go into a hub and watch the preloaders.

 

[TearsInRain]

For YOU, not for the company.

the Union is great for UPS, it keeps us from doing some really retarded

that said, the PT workforce needs better pay but less benefits; too many worthless people leeching on

 

[FrigidFTSup]

As long as your guy shows up
Their are lots of $18 an hour jobs

Sure there are, but at least in my area of the country plenty of people are still looking for work.

 

[FrigidFTSup]

the Union is great for UPS, it keeps us from doing some really retarded

that said, the PT workforce needs better pay but less benefits; too many worthless people leeching on

I'm not advocating for the union to be dissolved or anything like that. Just trying to demonstrate that saying the union is the reason we are successful is a false narrative.

 

[Star B]

Just trying to demonstrate that saying the union is the reason we are successful is a false narrative.

The only reason, no, but it is one of the many reasons. People like stability and the inability for management to friend with them. It's like a corporate rimjob saying we have at FedEx, PSP... People, Service, Profit. Take care of people, who will provide great service, which will return profit.

It's conveniently renamed Profit Service Profit... because that's what it actually turns out to be.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

I'm not advocating for the union to be dissolved or anything like that. Just trying to demonstrate that saying the union is the reason we are successful is a false narrative.

Who said that?

 

[Rick Ross]

A driver that we may higher had we not had the driver above would start at $18, still higher than most FedEx ground drivers, lets say he can only do 12 SPORH. That's $1.50 per stop. That adds up. Not to mention the contribution to their benefits would be substantially less.

Your $1.50 per stop number is completely bogus. Are you planning to reduce the stops on each package car 30-40% and deliver packages with the smart number of employees?

If you drop the SPORH that drastically a center with 100 routes would now be a center with 135 routes.

To figure your savings you need to include wages for the 35 additional employees, the need for 35 additional package cars and mechanics to maintain them, along with the cost of adding on to buildings because no building I go to could handle that many new cars with a regular preload.

 

[1989]

One does not equal another. Our profit margins would soar if the union disappeared because we would have absolutely no reason to pay or provide the benefits we do. Production would drop, but costs per driver would decrease, so we could do the same at a lower cost.

Jim Casey would disagree with you.