War

[wkmac]

From US Navy Commander Jeff Huber Ret. op-ed entitled:

"Iran + Iraq= Ironic" published @ Military.com

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,171798,00.html

Commander Huber is also required reading at the US Naval War College.

Since Commander Huber mentioned the Project For a New American Century (now defunct I might add) but the players are still in place,
One might do well in reading this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm which is a summary of the actual study found here which was a major blueprint in Bush adminstration military policy.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Those who "limit their brains" are the poor suckers

Very true Big! Very True!

 

[Jones]

Excellent article from Jeff Huber, but I suspect it comes too late to do much good. Notice how how Obama's rhetoric has been morphing since he got the nomination sewed up (I know you have)? First he did he a backflip on the FISA bill, then he started back peddling on withdrawing troops from Iraq. My guess is that he will return from his overseas journey a changed man, talking about all the progress being made and the importance of staying the course lest we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. "Last throes" and all that. America will yawn and go back to talking about Britney, Brad and Angela.

The real joke is on the folks who still labor under the illusion that the democrats and republicans offer two distinct political visions for the future of this country. The reality is that they are simply competing power structures who have more in common with professional sports teams, ie, they have different team symbols and star players that they use to generate enthusiasm in their fan base, but in the end it really doesn't matter who wins the election any more than it matters who wins the superbowl. You will still pay the same taxes to a government that enacts the same policies, enforces the same laws, and fights the same wars.

 

[BrownShark]

BAU,

One of the problems with listening to soldiers and veterans of this war is that NO TRUTH will come out of the conversations.

Any soldier, marine or airman is trained and conditioned to DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, SAY WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO SAY, LEARN ONLY WHAT IS TAUGHT TO THEM...and so on.

There is no independent thought among them. IT is NOT allowed.

Every time a general spoke out against this presidents policy while in Iraq was quickly removed from the theatre.

Are we to believe that enlisted men would then be able to freely express a dessenting opinion freely with full knowledge better than generals??

No offense, but a soldiers job is to shine his shoe, march in line, clean his gun, carry out orders and be quiet.

These men know of nothing more than they are told. If the message of the day is that we are winning the war in IRaq, than sobeit.

Thats what they are told, and thats what they will repeat.

Just because they are killing people doesnt a win a war.

Those who are attacking our troops are not international terrorists, but rebels of a country held captive by a superpower.

Rebels who want us out of there land.

There are millions of iraqis who know we are ultimately there to take their oil and nothing more.. and they will resist this until every last marine and soldier is killed.

You believe we will win this battle?

Are we prepared to kill millions of iraqis to settle ideology?

I know, you are convinved that the iraqi rebels will eventually get to americas streets and kill civilians here... at least thats what you posted.

I guess you'll never learn. War and meddling in the middle east? Are we supposed to invite them over here instead?

big arrow up

Just out of curiosity, how are the iraqis suppose to get here?

Do they have an air force? (no), do they have fleets of ships (no) do they have the means to negotiate with countries that have these things and transport them here? (no) Do they have the weapons to carry out such an attack? (no) Do they have the political backing of their goverment to carry out such a grand plan? (no)

Well, seeing this, I ask you? What are you afraid of?

When did american youth become such cowards? Your a reserve? and you fear the Iraqis coming here>??

Why the need to live in fear Big Arrow Up?

I dont spend one second thinking about it.

A small group of well funded extremist , with or without the help of the Bush Administration carried out a semi-successful mission.

I wont condemn the world muslims or islamics for this, I would have to stop watching professional sports then.

Its amazing how contradiction works in this country. You talk about hating islamic or muslim peoples, but I bet you watch the NBA or NFL...which is loaded with muslim players.

What about Tiger Woods, he has a great following here in the USA and hes a Buddhist.

It would take an act of god to change your mind, your a victim of Shout TV and radio cool-aid.

Your syntax sez so.

Your repetitious use of radio talk show jargon confirms this fact and to argue with you is silly.

Your runon paragraphs littered with leftist, liberal, socialist lead words demonstrate your lack of litracy and factual undertandings.

I get it, your a fan of war, bush and his legacy, but to the contrary, I am oppose to war, bush and falicy.

There will be no grand exit for Mr. Bush, just an exit.

I am sure there will always be that 26% of americans (like yourself) who will kiss the ground he walks on, But I prefer to be among the 74% of americans who think he's an .

You know as well as I that majority rules.

So, in your next 9 line paragraph, lets see if you can leave out the following words to complete a thought , huh?

(Liberal, Socialist, Leftist, hatred, left wing media)

See if you an create a paragraph that speaks to a point and not an endless rant of rhetoric and plagiarized talking points.

I see what developes.

Peace from the 74% bracket

 

[tourists24]

BAU,

One of the problems with listening to soldiers and veterans of this war is that NO TRUTH will come out of the conversations.

Any soldier, marine or airman is trained and conditioned to DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, SAY WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO SAY, LEARN ONLY WHAT IS TAUGHT TO THEM...and so on.

There is no independent thought among them. IT is NOT allowed.

Every time a general spoke out against this presidents policy while in Iraq was quickly removed from the theatre.

Are we to believe that enlisted men would then be able to freely express a dessenting opinion freely with full knowledge better than generals??

No offense, but a soldiers job is to shine his shoe, march in line, clean his gun, carry out orders and be quiet.

These men know of nothing more than they are told. If the message of the day is that we are winning the war in IRaq, than sobeit.

Thats what they are told, and thats what they will repeat.

Just because they are killing people doesnt a win a war.

Those who are attacking our troops are not international terrorists, but rebels of a country held captive by a superpower.

Rebels who want us out of there land.

There are millions of iraqis who know we are ultimately there to take their oil and nothing more.. and they will resist this until every last marine and soldier is killed.

You believe we will win this battle?

Are we prepared to kill millions of iraqis to settle ideology?

I know, you are convinved that the iraqi rebels will eventually get to americas streets and kill civilians here... at least thats what you posted.
big arrow up

Just out of curiosity, how are the iraqis suppose to get here?

Do they have an air force? (no), do they have fleets of ships (no) do they have the means to negotiate with countries that have these things and transport them here? (no) Do they have the weapons to carry out such an attack? (no) Do they have the political backing of their goverment to carry out such a grand plan? (no)

Well, seeing this, I ask you? What are you afraid of?

When did american youth become such cowards? Your a reserve? and you fear the Iraqis coming here>??

Why the need to live in fear Big Arrow Up?

I dont spend one second thinking about it.

A small group of well funded extremist , with or without the help of the Bush Administration carried out a semi-successful mission.

I wont condemn the world muslims or islamics for this, I would have to stop watching professional sports then.

Its amazing how contradiction works in this country. You talk about hating islamic or muslim peoples, but I bet you watch the NBA or NFL...which is loaded with muslim players.

What about Tiger Woods, he has a great following here in the USA and hes a Buddhist.

It would take an act of god to change your mind, your a victim of Shout TV and radio cool-aid.

Your syntax sez so.

Your repetitious use of radio talk show jargon confirms this fact and to argue with you is silly.

Your runon paragraphs littered with leftist, liberal, socialist lead words demonstrate your lack of litracy and factual undertandings.

I get it, your a fan of war, bush and his legacy, but to the contrary, I am oppose to war, bush and falicy.

There will be no grand exit for Mr. Bush, just an exit.

I am sure there will always be that 26% of americans (like yourself) who will kiss the ground he walks on, But I prefer to be among the 74% of americans who think he's an .

You know as well as I that majority rules.

So, in your next 9 line paragraph, lets see if you can leave out the following words to complete a thought , huh?

(Liberal, Socialist, Leftist, hatred, left wing media)

See if you an create a paragraph that speaks to a point and not an endless rant of rhetoric and plagiarized talking points.

I see what developes.

Peace from the 74% bracket

BrownShark is one who gets offended if you question his patriotism, but just read his above post and make up your own minds.

BS before you start in,,, nope not a Bush fan; nope Im not a Republican fan either. I DO sit back and hear people speak and agree with what I agree with and vice versae (dont care who it's coming from). The things you say about our soldiers are sickening and NOT the truth. Things you claim as just plain facts are simply your warped opinion. Just listen to some of the soldiers/vets here on BC and you will get varying opinions, but most are still patriotic. We will disagree on things and that's fine, but there is nothing patriotic in your posts; mainly just things to show what a terrible country we are. I feel sorry for the guy who has to rely on you covering his back if a country ever comes onto our soil; when all of us may have to pick up a weapon.

 

[av8torntn]

BAU,


There is no independent thought among them. IT is NOT allowed.

You keep posting about things you know nothing about. Why is that? Have you watched to many movies? Not only is independent thought encouraged it is sought out.

If you possess boundless ideas and creativity and you always think of new ways to organize and strategize, the Army wants to talk. Warfare today has new rules and calls for a different type of Soldier's new warrior.
You need to be mentally superior and creative, highly trained and physically tough. Alone and part of a team, you'll work in diverse conditions, act as a diplomat, get the job done in hostile situations and, at times, establish residence in a foreign country for months.
These Soldiers are part of the Army's Special Forces (SF)'the Army's most specialized experts in Unconventional Warfare.

http://www.goarmy.com/special_forces/

 

[satellitedriver]

BAU,

One of the problems with listening to soldiers and veterans of this war is that NO TRUTH will come out of the conversations.

Any soldier, marine or airman is trained and conditioned to DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, SAY WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO SAY, LEARN ONLY WHAT IS TAUGHT TO THEM...and so on.

There is no independent thought among them. IT is NOT allowed.

This sums up why I take anything you say, on this subject, with a grain of salt.

 

[av8torntn]

Excellent article from Jeff Huber, .

How do you figure this was an excellent article. I really think Mr. Huber missed the point. The language he choses to use will cause many to write him off as just another left wing nut. What should seem like a good thing to see the Iraqi government finally stand up enough to talk about the withdrawal of US forces he somehow wants to see as a failure of our Government policy. It was not that long ago when the Iraqi Government resisted any withdrawal of our forces from their country and their military had no leadership. Now there is at least some talk from their Government of the day our forces will be able to leave and their military is running missions in entire regions of the country without our approval or oversight. Mr. Huber says this is a loss. He really misses the point.

 

[tieguy]

Satellite,


RNC propaganda at its best. Its all they have.

They cant stand on issues, record or success, just FEAR.

Brown I'm glad you brought this up. could you show us the success obama has had changing washington the last four years so that I know he is the one to change washington as a president?

 

[brazenbrown]

Its the way the words are used that convince some people otherwise.

Spoken by the true master manipulator himself!

Just yesterday, President ALmaliki told the press that he supported Barack H. Obamas Plan for withdrawal in 16 months. He said that Americas presence in IRAQ is HURTING his country, not helping.

Its the way the words are used that convince some people otherwise.

The spin stops here a favorite television host of yours coined this phrase and it's appropriate here.. While you mucky up the facts to support your failed agenda here's what the Iraqi PM really meant.


Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the possibility of troop withdrawal was based on the continuance of security improvements, echoing statements that the White House made Friday after a meeting between al-Maliki and U.S. President Bush.

Iraqi PM disputes report on withdrawal plan

WHAT? I though we were the good guys?

Typical democratic anti American rhetoric.. How about you tag along with your buddy Sean Penn and consider moving to Venezuela where you can share in the company of another true American hater, Hugo Chavez who also thinks the United States of America is the evil empire..

In fact Hugo has gone weapons shopping with all that money burning a whole in his pocket from selling us his oil. Nancy Pelosi should feel proud to stomp her feet and say no drilling here in the U.S. because now Hugo can use his newly purchased weaponry to become a bigger threat, oh goodie!! Of course if you and Mr. Penn are down there you can assist with the destruction of the U.S. from outside now instead of from within!!

This president isnt going anywhere anytime soon, he knows better.
We know whats best for IRAQ, not the elected leadership there.
This president will get every marine and soldier killed first in order to get westernized oil companies comfortably situated in IRAQ.
He aint going anywhere.
Despite the call from the IRAQI goverment to get out, we ignore them.
They cant stand on issues, record or success, just FEAR.
Time to listen to the realities Satellite, IRAQ wants us out and so do I.
Peace, from an American listening

Hmmm, just this past week drawing down troops and even the mention of a timeline were discussed! The reason for this is the dramatic drop in violence and the success of the SURGE and our military people who are the GOOD GUYS despite your belief that we're the bad guys!!

Of course Obama voted against the surge and now his 16 month timeline (come hell or high water) is looking like a possibility but to absolutely no credit to him! He wanted to bring the troops home in retreat and shame just like you!!

Getting all primed up for the DNC!! Looks real presidential don't he!!

All fluff and games and ready to do business with Ahmadinejad, Yeah right!! Peace, change and a whole lotta Love..

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

BAU,

One of the problems with listening to soldiers and veterans of this war is that NO TRUTH will come out of the conversations.

Any soldier, marine or airman is trained and conditioned to DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, SAY WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO SAY, LEARN ONLY WHAT IS TAUGHT TO THEM...and so on.

There is no independent thought among them. IT is NOT allowed.

Every time a general spoke out against this presidents policy while in Iraq was quickly removed from the theatre.

Are we to believe that enlisted men would then be able to freely express a dessenting opinion freely with full knowledge better than generals??

No offense, but a soldiers job is to shine his shoe, march in line, clean his gun, carry out orders and be quiet.

These men know of nothing more than they are told. If the message of the day is that we are winning the war in IRaq, than sobeit.

Thats what they are told, and thats what they will repeat.

Wow! It is clear that this Brownshark character (and he IS a character) is way out of his mind. Never in my many years of participating in discussion boards have I ever seen someone shoot themselves in the foot so badly in one posting. I hope that not too many people with military backgrounds read that posting. Actually no, I take it back. I hope they all see it. Then maybe everyone will see how ignorant and this guy is. I've been around the military all of my life. I was active duty and now a reservist. Not once during all this time have I ever met anyone in the military that even comes close to being such a mindless robot like he described.

Just because they are killing people doesnt a win a war.

Those who are attacking our troops are not international terrorists, but rebels of a country held captive by a superpower.

Rebels who want us out of there land.

Really? Last I checked there were thousands of Iraqis that have volunteered for and have been trained in Iraq's Army and they have no problem killing your so called "rebels" because they recognize them for what they are. It's a shame that you can't do the same.

There are millions of iraqis who know we are ultimately there to take their oil and nothing more.. and they will resist this until every last marine and soldier is killed.

We are getting oil from Iraq?! WOW! Oh wait a minute....another one of your lies. You have proof of that? There is no point in even asking you that because you don't have any proof.

You believe we will win this battle?

Are we prepared to kill millions of iraqis to settle ideology?

I know, you are convinved that the iraqi rebels will eventually get to americas streets and kill civilians here... at least thats what you posted.
big arrow up

Just out of curiosity, how are the iraqis suppose to get here?

Do they have an air force? (no), do they have fleets of ships (no) do they have the means to negotiate with countries that have these things and transport them here? (no) Do they have the weapons to carry out such an attack? (no) Do they have the political backing of their goverment to carry out such a grand plan? (no)

Well, seeing this, I ask you? What are you afraid of?

When did american youth become such cowards? Your a reserve? and you fear the Iraqis coming here>??

Why the need to live in fear Big Arrow Up?

I dont spend one second thinking about it.

A small group of well funded extremist , with or without the help of the Bush Administration carried out a semi-successful mission.

I wont condemn the world muslims or islamics for this, I would have to stop watching professional sports then.

Its amazing how contradiction works in this country. You talk about hating islamic or muslim peoples, but I bet you watch the NBA or NFL...which is loaded with muslim players.

What about Tiger Woods, he has a great following here in the USA and hes a Buddhist.

It would take an act of god to change your mind, your a victim of Shout TV and radio cool-aid.

Your syntax sez so.

Your repetitious use of radio talk show jargon confirms this fact and to argue with you is silly.

Your runon paragraphs littered with leftist, liberal, socialist lead words demonstrate your lack of litracy and factual undertandings.

I get it, your a fan of war, bush and his legacy, but to the contrary, I am oppose to war, bush and falicy.

There will be no grand exit for Mr. Bush, just an exit.

I am sure there will always be that 26% of americans (like yourself) who will kiss the ground he walks on, But I prefer to be among the 74% of americans who think he's an .

You know as well as I that majority rules.

So, in your next 9 line paragraph, lets see if you can leave out the following words to complete a thought , huh?

(Liberal, Socialist, Leftist, hatred, left wing media)

See if you an create a paragraph that speaks to a point and not an endless rant of rhetoric and plagiarized talking points.

I see what developes.

Peace from the 74% bracket

Pleas tell me you are just a troll. Please. I really don't want to believe that a human mind such as your really exists. Why would you even ask how the Iraqis are going to get over here then immediately contradict that ridiculous question by reminding me how the 911 terrorists were able to do what they did? Think before you type. LOL! And stop trying to make it seem like the right hates muslims. We don't but we do hate terrorists and we want them dealt with and if we have to hurt the feelings of a few peaceful ones to get to the fanatics then so be it. I highly suggest you learn more about these topics because I can honestly and hole heartedly tell you that you don't know squat at this point. Your opinions on the subject are worth less than that of the contents of any bathroom reader. At least those have factual information.

 

[tourists24]

Pleas tell me you are just a troll. Please. I really don't want to believe that a human mind such as your really exists.

I highly suggest you learn more about these topics because I can honestly and hole heartedly tell you that you don't know squat at this point. Your opinions on the subject are worth less than that of the contents of any bathroom reader. At least those have factual information.

The scary part is, arrow, that he IS very educated on these topics; yet he still has the opinions that he holds. Ive used an old Jerry Clower quote several times that reminds me so much of BS: "You my friend are educated above your intelligence!!"

 

[moreluck]

After you click on the link, the black screen with the Introduction will come up. Be patient, it takes a while but it will start on its own.
Battle Hymn of the Republic (awesome)

Battle Hymn
CLICK ON ( BATTLE HYMN )

 

[tourists24]

After you click on the link, the black screen with the Introduction will come up. Be patient, it takes a while but it will start on its own.
Battle Hymn of the Republic (awesome)

Battle Hymn
CLICK ON ( BATTLE HYMN )

More,,, I am speechless after listening to that. I had goose bumps on my arms.... Amen and God bless people like you More.... America isnt perfect, but it is good and "In God We Trust" meant something at one time...




Shark needs a good dose of this... of course I can already see his view... more brainwashing of our children; teaching to love a country that is obviously so horrible with Bush as Pres. Even worse, brainwashing our children into believing that there really IS a God out there; and that there is a place for him in the USA

 

[Jones]

I always like this version better

Blood Upon the Risers (Gory Gory What a Hell of a Way to Die)

 

[diesel96]

BS before you start in,,, nope not a Bush fan; nope Im not a Republican fan either. I DO sit back and hear people speak and agree with what I agree with and vice versae (dont care who it's coming from).

Do I detect a Joe Liberman complex here...I don't blame you, I would be reluctant also, however transparencey tells us it's time to come out of the closet and adorn your Rep voting card under your flag pin.

More,,, I am speechless after listening to that. I had goose bumps on my arms.... Amen and God bless people like you More.... America isnt perfect, but it is good and "In God We Trust" meant something at one time...
Shark needs a good dose of this... of course I can already see his view... more brainwashing of our children; teaching to love a country that is obviously so horrible with Bush as Pres. Even worse, brainwashing our children into believing that there really IS a God out there; and that there is a place for him in the USA

I wonder who's side Jesus/God would be on if the US goes to war with another Christian nation. Not only do conservatives claim to have patents on flags, flagpins, patroitism, our troops, morals, now it's God and Jesus in a Cheverolt eating a Fenway frank and a apple pie.

 

[moreluck]

D....that's Dodger Dog to you !!!

 

[tieguy]

Do I detect a Joe Liberman complex here...I don't blame you, I would be reluctant also, however transparencey tells us it's time to come out of the closet and adorn your Rep voting card under your flag pin.




I wonder who's side Jesus/God would be on if the US goes to war with another Christian nation. Not only do conservatives claim to have patents on flags, flagpins, patroitism, our troops, morals, now it's God and Jesus in a Cheverolt eating a Fenway frank and a apple pie.

I don't see how conservatives claim to have the patent. I believe there are quite a few liberals who may disagree with the war but support our troops. Your version of patriotism is to badmouth the country you live in.

There are no easy answers here. We saw what isolationism did for us prior to world war II and yet I don't enjoy sending our troops out into harms way.

Your worst nightmare would be that Iraq which has changed for the better might someday be the beacon of democracy in the middle east. If that happens then it vaults Bush into a very postive light when the historians write his legacy. You will cringe when that happens while we will rejoice that we recieved such a benifit in return for the loss of our sons and daughters.

In fact your attitude and that of others here is so anti-american that I often find myself wondering if you get some sick satisfaction at seeing our soldiors die.

If not then whats wrong with wearing our pins and waving our flags in support of our troops.

 

[JustTired]

I don't see how conservatives claim to have the patent. I believe there are quite a few liberals who may disagree with the war but support our troops. Your version of patriotism is to badmouth the country you live in.

There are no easy answers here. We saw what isolationism did for us prior to world war II and yet I don't enjoy sending our troops out into harms way.

Your worst nightmare would be that Iraq which has changed for the better might someday be the beacon of democracy in the middle east. If that happens then it vaults Bush into a very postive light when the historians write his legacy. You will cringe when that happens while we will rejoice that we recieved such a benifit in return for the loss of our sons and daughters.

In fact your attitude and that of others here is so anti-american that I often find myself wondering if you get some sick satisfaction at seeing our soldiors die.

If not then whats wrong with wearing our pins and waving our flags in support of our troops.

There's nothing wrong with wearing flag pins or waving the flag. I agree that neither Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on that honor. Supporting our troops has not been an issue as far as I'm concerned. Withholding funds to continue a war that shouldn't have happened in the first place doesn't mean non-support for our troops. it doesn't mean you're anti-american, either. Matter of fact I would be willing to argue that it may make you more American.

Is it anti-american to be against a "war of aggression"?
Is it anti-american to be against the errosion of Constitutional Rights?
Is it anti-american to disagree with the present administrations' actions?
Is it anti-american to be anything other than a Republican?

If the answer to these questions (in your mind) is yes, then I guess I'm anti-american.

Whgile there has always been a divide between Republicans and Democrats in philosophy, I have never seen such a divide as we have now. It makes the Grand Canyon look like a crack in the sidewalk. It has gotten worse in the last few decades and continues at a maddening pace. It is to the point that the hopes of anything getting done in Washington grows dimmer by the year.

Until we get someone in office that can bring both sides to the table in a true bi-partisan effort, we're doomed. There doesn't need to be complete concensus between parties, but we have to be able to reach meaningful compromise in order to move the country in a positive direction.

Are either of the two candidates the answer to this impass? I don't really know. I can only hope. Whatever the outcome of this election, I'm pretty sure of one thing. It won't be anywhere close to the disaster we have now.

My feelings are...that until we can get control of our government away from "corporate america"........nothing will change but the faces we see on tv. JMO

 

[BrownShark]

Just Tired,

Your post was well said.

Taking control over the goverment and the country is exactly what is needed. We are a nation of people, not a nation of a political party.

Obama may not be the best candidate in the country, but he is the better choice for america.

Every country he visits, he is greeted by thousands of supporters. NOT HECKLERS and HATERS like when BUSH visits another country.

There isnt a country on the face of the earth that Pres Bush can visit without having to face thousands of protesters and haters.

As for Tieguys view of Iraq being a beacon for democracy in the middle east and thereby in the future shedding some positive light on BUSH, well, to that I say, dont hold your breath.

Nation building will not change the way the middle does business.

As I have said many times, the BUSH administration always wants to treat the symptoms and not the problem.

IE: If i have a stomach problem and go to the doctor and get examined only to find out that i have stomach cancer, and the doctor decides that the way to treat the pain (symptom) was to give me some pepto bismol to make me feel better, will that cure the cancer ?(problem) What if the doctor just gave me more and more pepto bismol? Will that cure the cancer?

Of course not. It will only make me feel better for a little while. The fact that more Pepto Bismol is given will NOT be a beacon for the future. Its merely a distraction until the eventual outcome happens which isnt good because the problem was never addressed.

Same in the middle east.

The problems of terrorism and the root causes of terrorism are not being addressed. Saudi Arabias funding of terrorists in many countries and the arming of the SUNNI Arabs in Iraq which are responsible for the majority of deaths of US personnel in Iraq is NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE with the BUSH administration.

Saudi Arabia provides more ARMS and MONEY into Iraq than IRAN does, yet, BUSH and his followers want to focus on IRAN.
(sypmtom/problem)

In the begining, the concept was IRAQ was going to be invaded and the other muslim countries would fall in line after watching the US power (shock and Awe).

This didnt happen. There are more terrorists today that hate the US today than prior to invading Iraq.

This is the BUSH legacy.

You all can wave your flags and wear your pins and pray every sunday, but it wont change this fact.

Our future as a Nation has only been threatened further by the Actions of the the Bush administration.

What time frame will an attack happen? Who knows. It took 10 years to plan and carry out 911. Bush has been in office for 7 1/2. Are we safe?

With the failures of the Bush domestic policies, the US dollar is worthless against foriegn currency (euro) and this has only made the middle east countries richer and cash rich ( in the quadrillions)

Where do you think this cash is going? The stock market? The Bush administration has only made our enemies richer and this country poorer.

A shifting of wealth.

Problem is that the wealth that the terrorists have, makes the war on terror harder because they can NOW buy the weapons they couldnt buy 5 years ago.

This is the Bush legacy.

All the battle hymms in the world wont change this fact. All the flag pins in the world wont protect our troops from these weapons.

In Iraq, the rebels (anti US presence Iraqis) are better armed today than prior to the us invasion.

Supporting our troops has nothing to do with supporting the policy. Shall I support a policy that ends up in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians?

Just the other day, US troops stormed a house they believed to be housing terrorists, after the shooting ended, the questions began, in the end, the marines killed the son of the Iraqi govenor in a case of mistaken identity.

Shall I support this policy??

How many innocent people have to die, in order to create this light that will shed on the BUSH legacy??

We can all slap each other in the face on this board and remain divided, or we can start finding some common ground by extracting rhetoric and political propaganda and find a way to protect america together as americans.

It is looking very good for OBAMA in Nov, his numbers look good in every state.

McCain only offers more of the same....and he isnt looking very good at all.

A major slap in the face for the BUSH/McCAIN administration when the Iraqi pm confirms he wants the US out of Iraq by 2010.

You guys have to hear this....we do not know whats best for Iraq, the Iraqis know whats best for them.

Peace

 

[tieguy]

There's nothing wrong with wearing flag pins or waving the flag. I agree that neither Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on that honor. Supporting our troops has not been an issue as far as I'm concerned. Withholding funds to continue a war that shouldn't have happened in the first place doesn't mean non-support for our troops. it doesn't mean you're anti-american, either. Matter of fact I would be willing to argue that it may make you more American.

Putting our troops in harms way with out supporting them is unamerican.

The vote was there to send them . the vote should be there to support them and make sure they have everything they need.

What a horrific thought to send troops out to battle and to then pull the funding for them?
I don't understand how you can defend that concept.


and now we see that Iraq is actually turned for the better. Our troops have done a terrific job under trying circumstances.

god bless them all.