the only people left in management have never been in operations or driven a pkg car? On car supervisor and I were talking the other night after work. He started his UPS career about a year before me and we drove together for a few years before he took the plunge into management. We both came to the agreement that we will be glad that we have retired when this happens. Don't know how it is in your part of the country but here the only people going into management are right out of college or part time sups off the street. It seems that UPS doesn't want anyone in management anymore that has any actual experience of how the job is done unless you have a four year degree. I haven't seen a driver go into management in years ........ by choice. I think it will be a sad day when all the experience leaves the company. PAS/EDD will only take the company so far. At least I can talk to a sup now about my problems on the road and he has an inkling of what I am talking about. I'm glad I will be gone in 6 years.